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Hopeful, may the Spirit grace you with his (spiritual) knowledge and his (spiritual) wisdom.

John 6:63 ....... the words that I ( 1 Peter 1:11,the Spirit of Christ or 1 Peter 1:21,the Holy Ghost or 2 Samuel 23:1-2, the Spirit of the Lord or Revelation 19:10,the words of Jesus) speak unto you, they (words) are spirit, and they (words) are life.

The day of the Lord is prophecy about a spiritual day; but, a day in spiritual time is not necessarily a day in natural time ( 2 Peter 3:8).

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterwards (after the day of the Lord), that I (Spirit) will will pour my spirit upon all flesh......

Since the Spirit (Holy Ghost) was poured out on all mankind at pentecost; therefore, the day of the Lord begin at pentecost and is continuing to this day 2000 years later in natural time; but, only one day in spiritual time.

Second witness:

Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon (symbolic of Christ)..... Psalm 89:35-36 And it (the throne of Christ, from the proceeding verse) shall be established forever as the moon, and as a FAITHFUL WITNESS in heaven...... Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the FAITHFUL WITNESS.......into blood before the terrible (wonderful) day of the Lord (pentecost) come.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he (the Lamb) had opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth hair, and the moon (symbolic of Christ) became as blood.....

Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

Matthew 27:51 ........and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent.

John 19:34 ...and forthwith came there blood and water.

Revelation 8:1 And when he (the Lamb) had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half hour (spiritual time not natural time)

This time was the time between Christ resurrection and the day of the Lord (pentecost)

Daniel 12:11-12 45 days between vs 11 and 12

My dear friend, if you are posting questions so you can have a fight that is not good. Only dogs fight ( Revelation 22:15; Revelation 11:1-2). The word Elohim (God) is plural (Eloah being its singular) See: ( Genesis 1:2; Genesis 1:26; John 1:1; Isaiah 9:6; Deuteronomy 6:4). Your line of reasoning is the same as saying that while your mother and father are Williams, you are simply Kevin so you do not wear their title because you are only the son. There is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Please read Revelation 19:11-16, Revelation 1, Ezekiel 1, John 1. Read also the apostle Paul to the Phillipians (Philipians 2:12).

However, I will not continue this... Matthew 13:41. May God bless you.

Thank you very much I will do that.

Hi Martha, you can look up J Vernon Mcgee commentary on Revelation 18 and 19, on blue letter bible or Thru the Bible site. he does a good job on it, hope that helps.

In this verse, who or what was the "great whore"?

Why in Deuteronomy chapter 22 is forbidden to wear garment of linen and wool?

17sharp, may the Spirit grace you with understanding, the reason I can justify adding the Holy Ghost in Zachariah 13:9 And I (the Holy Ghost) will bring the THIRD part through the fire is because:

II Peter 1:21 For the prophecy (like the words in Zachariah) came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. It wasn't Zachariah that was going to bring them (creation) through the fire; but the Holy Ghost.

Revelation 19:10 ........worship God: for the testimony (words) of Jesus is the (holy) spirit of prophecy.

I Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ (Holy Ghost) which was in them (prophets) did signify, when it (Holy Ghost) testified beforehand the suffering of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

II Samuel 23: 1-2 Now these be the last words of David, David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed (by the Holy Ghost) of God of Judah, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said,

(2) The spirit of the Lord (Holy Ghost) spake by me, and his (Holy Ghost) words were in my tongue.

When the Spirit causes you to understand that the words in the bible are the words of Spirit and not of man then the Spirit will start bringing you into spiritual understanding and start washing away worldly wisdom, which is foolishness to God.

May the Holy Ghost you with his wisdom.

What is the Dream that you saw?

Comments by Alex about my thoughts on the parable of the Sower and his precious seed. Jesus said know ye not this parable how then will you know all Parables, Understanding this parable has to come from God self ,Jesus said that many righteous men and prophets have desired to see what you see and hear what you hear but saw them NOT. Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. It ALL goes back to the great PROMISE OF MULTIPLICATION, THATS Y THE SOWER WILL GO FORTH TO SOW HIS PRECIOUS SEED, THAT HE MIGHT BE MULTIPLIED AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN IN US ( HUMANITY ) @ THE LAST DAY . The words of Wonder and the book that Daniel saw was SEALED till the last day. which is the book in the right hand of the Father that is sealed with 7 seals . God was so passionate about this GREAT PROMISE that he swore by his very self .There is no other PROMISE IN THE BIBLE where GOD swore by himself . Impling that he himself was gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven. Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the WORD ( the seed of the Sower ) came it made them Gods, Thats what the H.G is the multiplication of God, and thats y Jesus refers to the H.G as the Promise he is the multiplication of Christ/GOD via that good seed the WORD of the Kingdom as Jesus said. Thus the essence of this parable is CHILD BIRTH A BABY CHRIST BORN IN US, Multiplication, Thats y Jesus said the GOOD SEED are the Children of the Kingdom.Jesus is gona multiply himself in us sinners That was the great PROMISE ( MULTIPLICATION ) Thus the need for a heavenly sower and his seed that results in a new heart and a new spirit, the NEW BIRTH which is a BABY Christ born in us that hear the word th seed of the sower th bridegroom. Thus an ISRAEL OF GOD BORN IS US VIA THE SEED OF CHRIST. Whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth ME. the Kingdom has to come via a seed a birth when Isaiah saw the Kingdom coming he said unto US a child is born,unto us a Son is given,Thats the GOOD NEWS Christ is gona multiply himself in us .

Miss J, I had a similar experience, minus the dream of a burning house, of where the Lord clearly spoke to me whilst in morning prayer about forsaking all to serve Him. As background info, I attended a small Fellowship of vibrant believers & who even from a small congregation, had sent out around twenty souls to serve in overseas mission work. So the challenge was ever before us from the pulpit: "what are you still doing sitting here - be up & moving out to serve!"

So, this then became a matter for much prayer. I was already engaged in open-air ministry in the city centre (styled around the work of Open Air Campaigners), doing tract distribution in my neighbourhood, & giving Bible studies. But in all this, the Lord had been quiet about overseas service. It was only after the Lord took home my Dad in 1985, that the word came to me very clearly in prayer at the end of 1987 about serving overseas & to do so with a particular Mission. I knew this was of the Lord, as he undertook for me in every way to achieve His Plan. He even sold my home for me in a few days, without me even mentioning it to anyone that I wanted to put it on the market!

Why I relate all this to you, is that the Lord knows your heart & your desire to serve Him. His child can do no better than to aspire to such a high calling: service to the King of kings. What are the ways you employ now to serve the Lord? Remember, often when those already labouring for Him are those whom He calls specifically. Where lies your interests? For some, the great ministry of prayer is their passion - others to be found serving even to the point of laying down their lives for the Gospel. I read that you sense that this could be a 'global' ministry for you. Keep on praying about the matter, speak to overseas Missions about their work & opportunities to serve. Though age may be against you, your spirit & willingness is very apparent. Have your heart & mind constantly trained on this path - God will direct you for sure.

Praise God Brethren,

Yes, I looked into the story of Moses to see how God called him to serve (he was simply living his normal life). I have been looking for a door to serve God and I don't know how to start. In 2005 God told me in a dream that IHe will cleanse, purify and uplift me and I will be His servant globally. He confirmed the dream in real life ( I asked Him to tell me in simple language if it was Him who spoke to me in a dream, and part of what I saw in that dream happened next day morning after asking. In that dream after God spoke, I saw smoke in a neighbours house and when I turned inside to rescue my belongings the smoke cleared. So, it happened in real life, I was called early morning a neighbours house burning (I saw that heavy smoke), I sent a sister I was staying with to go help while I went back in the house to turn off power. But 2 minutes she came back saying they managed to put down the fire. So I knew, It was Him who spoke to me.

Then a few years ago Jesus stood in the sky (in another dream that was like real), threw something like a small pen/cross glittering to me and when it entered me it was that, He has sent me to serve Him globally.

My question is, when will that be? How will I start as I am still looking for that door. I am now 53.

Be blessed.

To believe that the Rapture is false, would mean disregarding or reinterpreting a lot of Scripture that points to such an event. And those Scriptures don't fit nicely into a belief that Jesus is coming to rule in Jerusalem without something occurring first to both the living & dead believers. The differing viewpoints that arise as to when the Rapture occurs in connection with the Great Tribulation, causes the variation of interpretations of the Scriptures.

Your Father's teaching is what we would refer to as a belief in a 'mid-Tribulation Rapture'. That is, that the Great Tribulation begins at the revelation of Anti-Christ & Christians suffer under his regime, but will be removed mid-way before God pours out His Anger upon the whole world.

Others also believe that the Great Tribulation begins at the advent of the Anti-Christ & so we will either see him briefly, or not at all, before being taken away (pre-Tribulation Rapture). And then, of course, still others hold to the fact that we all (saved & unsaved) go right through the whole Tribulation period of 7 years: (Post-Tribulation Rapture).

For this, we must appeal to 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4. "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition." (vv2,3).

The Thessalonian Christians were fearful that the Great Tribulation was already upon them & they missed out on being raptured. So Paul comforted them by saying the 'Day of Christ (Lord)' would not come until there was first a 'falling away' from the Church & the revelation of the Anti-Christ. This should lead us to believe that Christians might be around to see Anti-Christ appear on the scene but will be raptured some time afterwards. We're not told when, whether there will a time where we will need to decide to take the Mark or not, or even suffer for it. That day & time is known only to the Lord, but we must be ready, waiting & watching. So, I would be too dogmatic to suggest that your Dad is wrong in holding to a mid-trib position, though I would tend to hold to a pre-trib position, based on my understanding of Scripture & removal of the Holy Spirit (v 7) & the Church and that God is always seen to remove His own before His Judgement falls on the unbeliever.

The rapture is false altogether.Christ is returning to Earth to set up his eternal kingdom.it is written in the Psalms that God has chosen Mount Zion on his favorite place where he will dwell forever.

You mean 3 1/2 years of tribulations, meaning raptured in the middle of 70th week, i dont think you will find that.

I have a question. My father was a minister and always taught us that we would go through 3 1/2 years of the rapture then be raptured into Heaven. I have searched the Bible for this but cannot find it anywhere. Was that teaching false or did I misunderstand the teaching?

Hosea 3:5, "Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days."

From the account you read in this chapter, Hosea was to demonstrate very vividly, through having an unfaithful wife, Gomer, God's displeasure with Israel, yet His longing that they would be brought back to Him. When Hosea had to repurchase her, she was to be kept in seclusion (depicting the state of Israel, then & now, when she would have no one to rule, nor would God be present through the ephod & teraphim). Israel may have a Prime Minister & a lawful government now, but there has never been nor will be a human King to rule over her since the days of the kings of Israel & Judah.

But the day will come (in the future) when Israel will begin to truly seek the Lord & yearn for "David their King". So the reference to David cannot be to King David who had long been passed away, but to the Son of David, Jesus Christ, Who would at long last be recognized as Israel's King & Messiah. That's why, when Jesus comes back, He comes with His Title, "King of kings & Lord of lords" on His Vesture & Thigh ( Revelation 19:16). And He comes to rule, in the Davidic line, in Jerusalem & His Rule will be a righteous rule unlike any king before Him & without end.

The first line of the Bible states that heaven is created along with the creation of the earth ( Genesis 1). It is primarily God's dwelling place in the biblical tradition: a parallel realm where everything operates according to God's will.

In Genesis 1, much is written about heaven, firmament, dividing, etc. all those center of the page columns (abc notes) refer to other scriptures. You'll need a study Bible with that feature. Or...

You can go on Google and type in: charts of 3 heavens. NOT all of them are accurate according to scripture.

God is Spirit. He doesn't need to stand on something. The Holy Spirit is Spirit; same thing. In Genesis, Jesus's name is the Word.

See John 1:1-5

Philippians 2:8-10, 6 and 3:19

Revelation 19:13

Zechariah 13:7

Isaiah 9:6

All those scriptures may have reference notes to additional scriptures. You need a reference study Bible, to research deeply.

It takes determination to search out the mysteries of God.

Always ask the Holy Spirit to HELP you and TEACH you those mysteries. He's the Spirit of Christ; and a born again Christian has the Mind of Christ. You have everything you need when combined with Faith: faith that the Holy Spirit does what scripture says that He does. Pursue Him.

Mishael

All we are told in Revelation chapter 19, is that a voice spoke from the (midst) of God's Throne (verse 5). This was not God's Voice nor His Son's, but apparently an angel assigned in regards to the Holiness of God. Elsewhere, as in the Ark of the Covenant, two images of Cherubs were positioned on either side of the Ark. So, it could be assumed that a Cherub or angel from God's Throne spoke to John. Also, we see in Revelation 22:8,9, a similar event, where John began to fall down before the "angel" but was forbidden to do so.

As to Revelation 19:16, there can be no certainty as to where & why this inscription was placed there. A reasonable explanation could be that as the Lord Jesus, the Lord of Glory is seen coming as a horseman, outfitted for battle, his outer clothing (vesture) may have been an extended, fairly heavy tunic that was normally worn. This vesture had His Name inscribed on it & it was written on the tunic at about thigh level. It was common for notable persons (kings, warriors, etc.) from olden days to have their titles inscribed on their clothing & this might be seen of the coming Warrior King in the skies. But all this is only a supposition.

In Revelation 19:10 Who is talking when it says, "See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren, etc.?

In Revelation 19:16 Why were the words "King of Kings, And Lord of Lords" written on Jesus' thigh and not on a

more obvious part of his body?

One of Jesus's Names, which appears only once, is: WORD OF GOD.

Revelation Chapter 19

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Comment by Mishael:

Jesus Christ is: THE WORD OF GOD

One scripture, in the back of the Bible, but it is undeniably True. Check your Bible again.

(Anyone reading the Book of Revelation is given a blessing by the Lord. Every time we read it. The Blessing: Revelation 1:3 )

Compare verse Revelation 1:14 to

Revelation 19:12 Both refer to Jesus

Lisa, there is one scripture in the Bible that shows us one of Jesus's Names, capitalized as:

Revelation Chapter 19

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Jesus Christ is: THE WORD OF GOD

One scripture in the back of the Bible, but it is undeniably True.

Anyone reading the Book of Revelation is given a blessing by the Lord. Every time we read it. Revelation chapter 1

The Blessing: Revelation 1:3

Compare verse Revelation 1:14 to

Revelation 19:12 Both are Jesus !

Watch and Pray. Be Ready. Be Strong!!! Feed the Household of the Lord the Meat of the Word. For in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh for war ( Revelation 19:11-21) Watch, Pray and Feed the Household. Time is much shorter. Amen.

The Bible teaches that the WICKED DEAD are awaiting the Great White Throne Judgement. Everyone has to see their deeds and be judged. Hell is for those that Reject Gods plan of Salvation totally.

Nobody is burning in Hell right now. Those who have ever lived and died are asleep in the grave waiting for the return of Christ and the resurrection. Notice that the Apostle Paul does not describe dead Christians as being active or alive in heaven.

They are asleep-dead-until they are resurrected at Christ's second coming. See 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18.

Paul used sleep as a metaphor for death. Yet, from an early age, most of us have been taught that sinners who died were right now being tormented in eternal hellfire. Who's right? Paul or your Sunday School teacher? The Bible says Paul got it right!

But what about Revelation 20:10? Many use this scripture to "prove" that at least two human beings-the "Beast" (Antichrist) and the "False Prophet"-will be tormented eternally in Hell. So let's take a closer look:

"The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the Beast, and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever" ( Revelation 20:10).

Look closely at that verse. Do you notice that one word-are-is in italics? That means it isn't part of the Greek text, but was added by translators trying to "make clear" what's in the verse. The problem is, the translators made it clearly wrong!

Satan the Devil will go to the same destination as the Beast and the False Prophet but he will go there as a spirit-being, and will be there long after the Beast and False Prophet-like other unrepentant sinners ( Revelation 19:20; 20:15) have been burned up and destroyed ( Matthew 25:41).

Some people alive have seen visions of hell.

Study!!! learn the truth!!! why noble nimrod??? because you will hear sweet truth mixed with weak falsehood. you must be be able to tell truth from falsehood or you will follow the deceiving pied piper into hell on earth. that almost happened to me recently. i was saved by the knowledge father god and my twin brother christ gave me through rigorous and hard study through faith in god and christ's tough-love.

the bible says that we all are made in the image of god in genesis 1:27. i am a spiritual revolutionary "life"" coach king of kings and lord of lords ( revelation 19:11-21). christ tells you in revelation 1:18 he conquered death!!! christ lives!!! christ tells you that he is sitting in the throne of victory with his father god in revelation 3:21.

so tell me christian, who is that bloody voodoo image nailed to a cursed catholic/christian cross forever that you worship??? that bloody forsaken image has you religiously trapped and forsaken. that bloody pagan image is not the truth. it is a lie!!! christ is alive and well!!!

anybody can die!!! what proved that christ is the son of god is that he defeated death!!! christ defeated death on the cursed cross!!!( revelation 1:18) christ won so that you can win....through faith in his victory over death!!!

these truly are the "last days." stand strong together brothers and sisters!!! amen.

Luke 17:34 - Careful study suggests that the faithfull will be with our Lord Jesus on His return. Others will be perished as like in the age of Noah and Lot. The disciples asks where he one shall be taken? The taken shall be perished and eagles will feast on their dead bodies. Revelation 19:21- And the remnant were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of His mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. For our Lord death is a sleep only. John 11:11 - These things said He :and after that He saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth: but I go, that I may awake him. In reality , Lazarus was dead. Thus the death of an unfaithful is a permanent departure from Him.Still it is a sleep. The unfaithfull will be judged after millennium. "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that love not his brother abideth in death. John 3:14.

Revelation 19:13, clearly names Jesus as the Word of God.

The blood of Christ one of the most important doctrinal teachings found in the Word of God. It is through the shedding of Christ's blood that WE can:

Learn of God's and Christ's great love for us

Be declared innocent from our many heinous sins

Be delivered from the eternal wrath of Almighty God

Be brought into communion with a Holy God.

Be saved from eternal death and granted eternal life.



Romans 5:8-10 - "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Much more then, being now justified by his BLOOD, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life."

No wonder His shed blood holds a core position of importance in both the Old Testament and the New Testament, it is the only hope for a person's salvation, receipt of other spiritual blessings and eternal security with Him.

Sadly, many today will minimize the importance of the death and shed blood of Christ. It has been done throughout NT times and will continue to be done until Christ comes again. Anytime that we minimize what Christ has done for us (whether by word or action) after we have mentally received the truth about its importance, it is a sign of a lost condition and increased responsibility at the final judgment.

Rebecca, II Samuel 23:1 Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raise up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said, (vs 2) The spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue. Revelation 19:10 .....worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. II Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not at any time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

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Revelations 19:13

Whose blood is sprinkled on the vesture; Is it the blood of the defeated enemy, or Christ's blood as atonement for our sins? I have Zondervan KJV Study Bible. The footnotes indicated that it could have been either. That note only led to confusion on my part.

Thanks, Roy

names and titles used. Its important to see man work in the changes in the scriptures.

I agree with your explaination of letter J. When I found out it was more serious than that.

Christianity started in a gentile area called Antioch. what scripture say this.....

"And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."

now who started christianity... from much praying.. and then searching i came to

Acts 6:5

"And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:"

stephen was killed and believers were scattered and Nicolas returned to Antioch and that when the first christians started.. Nicolas.. st Nicolas.. ..Santa claws. brings in christmasn xmas tree ( Jeremiah 10:1-9), easter replaces passover feast of the unleaven bread. easter and xmas are paigans.

this I now know Paul

didn't identify himself as a christian be was a believer and follower of the WAY.

Acts 24:14

"But this I confess unto thee, that after the WAY which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:"

John 1:1 and 14

John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

John 14:6

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

The disciples were believers who followed the WAY. the WORD that became flesh is the truth Messias.

Revelation 19:13

"And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.