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Hi Chris,

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I will attempt to be less confusing. I apologize for possibly trying to give too much information.

There are two accounts of the creation of man. The first account is found in Genesis 1:26-29. The second account can be found in Genesis 2:4-7.

Genesis 1:26-29 is the 6th day account of the creation of the different races that make up mankind, both male and female. The blessings and instructions given in Genesis 1:28 were given to those particular people.

Genesis 2:4-7 is the 6th day account of the creation of the specific man Adam. In Genesis 2:7, God gives us detail as to HOW both Adam and ALL of mankind are formed by Him (from the dust of the ground), but these verses concern only the particular man Adam. Genesis 2:15-17 are the instructions given to the man Adam that are different than the instructions given to the rest of mankind. Adam was that particular man chosen by God to "till the ground" ( Genesis 2:5) and be a farmer in God's Garden; and try to resist Satan.

Genesis 2:21-23 is the formation of Eve FROM Adam. This is not creation of mankind, both "male and female" as found in Genesis 1:28, which concerns all of the races. This particular lineage is very special for all of mankind. It begins with the divine act of our heavenly Father taking a "rib" from Adam and creating Eve (one from one + the Lord God) and ends with the divine act of the Holy Spirit through Mary bringing about the promised birth ( Genesis 3:15) of the Lord and Savior of all the earth (one from one + the Holy Spirit) ( Isaiah 7:14).

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And to your question: "If the beginning of the earth was the first seven days of creation found in Genesis 1:2 - 2:4, then when did the fall of Satan occur?" This question is moot. There will always be theories when Satan's fall occurred. It could have been at some time after the creation of the angelic host ( Isa 14:12-15), maybe after God's creative Work had ended. It may have been according to the type given in Ezek 28:12-17, when Satan was already in Eden & from thence he fell into sin; or even in ( Rev 12:7-9) where Satan & his angels were cast out of Heaven to the Earth after Jesus ascended to the Father (though this option wouldn't work, as Satan was already active way before this time on Earth). So, I have to plead ignorance to your question, as the Scriptures don't give me a clear answer, though if compelled, I would lean towards the Isaiah description.

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D.J., thank you for your response. I will still go back to Gen 1:28 for clarification, as this verse seems to be where my misunderstanding lies. Since you stated that, "The instructions given to Adam are completely different than the instructions given to the rest of mankind", I could only assume that there were some other instructions given to the rest of us. However, you say that the instructions in Gen 1:28 also applies to us, hence I couldn't work out, & still can't, what these other 'completely different instructions' are, since Gen 1:28 applies to both Adam & Even & us. So this still remains confusing. Hence, my mind got carried away, that if there were other instructions to other people, then who were they, if not the progeny of our first parents? Then the rest of your remarks on your Page 1 I would agree with, if both Adam & us received the same instructions & not different ones.

And I noted your comments in your Page 2. However, my comments to which you referenced, only applied to my wonder as to those 'different instructions given to us', then your further comments (page 2) had no direct bearing to them, & therefore I would agree with them. Your reference to the "three heaven & earth ages", I would say refer to the sky, universe & earth, rather than to the Heaven of God's Abode. Is that what you meant?

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Chris,

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In addressing your comment mentioning that God would not properly be representing all races; I will state that God chose Adam and his lineage to bring forth, umbilical cord to umbilical cord, the Savior of the world ( Genesis 3:15). That promise by our heavenly Father made this particular lineage the most important lineage to ever walk on the face of the planet. All other peoples and nations mentioned in the Bible are only due to their interaction, good or bad, ( Isaiah 10:5) with God's chosen people and the nation of Israel.

We are all children of God, blessed by Him, and given freewill to believe whatever we want!

On a side note, you state that Adam and Eve were made "in the image of God." The PLURAL words of God stating "in OUR image, after OUR likeness" ( Genesis 1:27) is the intention of God to make the mortal features of mankind to be a physical reflection of God and the angels. We are to be a representative figure of what we looked like in the 1st Dispensation of time. We are an illusion of that spiritual body, but delivered unto these flesh bodies in order to be tried and tested by God by the very freewill He grants unto us. How could God the Father and His only begotten Son know us beforehand if the first time we came into existence was in these flesh bodies in this 2nd Dispensation of time? The answer is simple; God "did foreknow" ( Rom 8:29) each and every one of us because we were all there in the 1st Dispensation of time. The only One made in the true image of God is His only begotten Son ( John 5:37, John 10:30 John 14:7, John 14:9, Colossians 1:14, Colossians 1:15. The clear understanding that there are 3 heaven and earth ages can be found in 2 Peter 3:6, 2 Peter 3:7, 2 Peter 3:13.

Question If the beginning of the earth was the first seven days of creation found in Genesis 1:2 - 2:4, then when did the fall of Satan occur?

Chris,

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I appreciate your feedback concerning the creation of Adam and Eve.

In reply to your first question, I believe that was answered in the original post. Scripture states that God created mankind on the 6th day, both male and female. God then B-L-E-S-S-E-D them, and said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and RE-plenish the earth, and subdue it. ( Genesis 1:26, Genesis1:27, Genesis 1:28). These are the instructions given to the rest of mankind. We are clearly neither insignificant nor are we worthless in His sight. We are all children of God with power given by Him to choose for ourselves who or what we want to believe. God makes the choice even easier: Be a part of His family of everlasting life or be a part of Satan's family of death.

Your phrase "or later" in regards to creation after the 6th day, I would point to Genesis 2:1, Genesis 2:2, and Genesis 2:3, which states that God FINISHED all of His creative work by the end of the 6th day; mankind being the last and greatest (and most confused) creative accomplishment.

I do not account for the existence of "cavemen." Scripture does not leave room for evolution. God states that He "created" ( Genesis 1:27) man. You and I were born, not created, as Adam, Eve, and the other Patriarchs and Matriarchs of the races (i.e. genealogy, Luke 3:23 - 39). Have we evolved from Adam?

Concerning a race or races of "sinless" people out there in the world I would point to Scripture found in Romans 3:23, Romans 5:12, 1 Corinthians 15:22.

DJ, you've got me thinking over this, so pardon my further question: if all this existed as you suggest (i.e. Adam in Eden & the others in various parts of the world), then what happened at the Flood & subsequent to its devastating result? Was the Flood contained locally, or was it a global flood? If global (by all indications it was: Gen 6:17), then what of the future of those 'others'? Possibly, a second Ark? And if I'm here walking the Earth today, who are my ancestors, since I've not come out of Adam, Noah & his descendants? I'm getting more despondent & fearful as I consider this proposition & the possibility of its reality, & this would affect many reading these comments.

DJ, you present an interesting view of creation. You mentioned: "The instructions given to Adam are completely different than the instructions given to the rest of mankind". So assuming that there were 'other creations' of the human species on Earth at the same time (or later), what are these instructions that were given to them? If these are not recorded for us, could we then be just insignificant or worthless people in His Sight, only here for populating the Earth?

If we account for the existence of 'cave men' (& others) via this assumption, then I wonder why Adam & Eve were made in the image of God, with His Qualities & Traits, while these cave people's appearance & lifestyle, as we're led to believe, resembled more like animals?

Also, can we also assume that these 'others' did not sin as Adam & Eve did & so we might in fact have races of people right now who are sinless in the world? If this is so, shouldn't the Bible at least account for these other people, their temptations to sin, & God's dealing with them? It seems rather strange that God would only speak about Adam & Eve (because through them the Saviour would eventually come), but neglect about the state of the others. Then again, maybe God focused on Adam & his progeny for obvious reasons, but cared little for the rest of us. Why should we even need the Gospel to be proclaimed to us, since we may not need it because of our state, or for God's little care for us.

You raise some serious matters that can have frightening impact on our lives present & future.

Lance, Reply to the question concerning the wife of Cain;

Cain found his wife because Adam and Eve were not the only two people living on earth at that time.

( Genesis 1:26 - 28) states that on the 6th day God created mankind, BOTH male and female, blessed them, and told them to be fruitful and multiply, RE-plenish the earth, subdue it, and have dominion over every living thing on it.

God also created Adam on the 6th day. Adam, however, was not told to subdue the earth and have dominion over it. Adam was put in a garden in Eden ( Genesis 2:7, 8) completely by himself ( Genesis 2:18, 1st Timothy 2:13). The instructions given to Adam were to dress the garden and to keep it ( Genesis 2:15). Adam was a farmer, and the animals brought to him in ( Genesis 2:19 - 20) were utilized for that particular purpose. The instructions given to Adam are completely different than the instructions given to the rest of mankind because God chose Adam to stand against the serpent in the garden, and God chose the lineage of Adam to bring forth the Savior of the world. (It is interesting to note that unlike Noah, Abraham, Moses, etc., who are all stated as being faithful or righteous, that is nowhere stated of Adam; but it may be implied, as God did choose him).

The Bible uses translated words such as "peoples," "nations," "heathen," and "gentiles" to define these people as "foreign" or, in other words, a different lineage than Adam. The reason Cain found a wife in the land of Nod, east of Eden ( Genesis 4:16) is because the other races of people created by God on the 6th day were living on the earth, reproducing, and having dominion over it. It is interesting to note that for over 6000 years of marriages between the races of the world, those same races are still very much distinguishable......and ALL are blessed through the perfect plan of God, ( Genesis 1:28 12:2, 3, 26:4)

As to why the earth was being RE-plenished by God, look at ( 2nd Peter 3:5 - 7, 13).

Lance I believe the answer to your question about Cain is found in Ezekiel 31 if you read it carefully.

Hello , can you tell me where cain got his wife if adam and eve were the first people on earth

Amen brother, well said! I believe it's the same as it always has been for believers/saints - Jesus gives us the ability to suffer for his name. We cannot do it without his strength and grace. But with Christ we can do and endure all the things that were impossible for us before. "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." - Philippians 4:12

The Lord will make a way somehow!

(third comment): So those early sacrifices were only a shadow of the Perfect, Sinless, Lamb of God (Jesus Christ); i.e. an animal's death could never fully atone as a substitutionary payment for sin - it was only temporary till God's provision of HIS Lamb. (see Heb 9:6-28 for this). So Jesus, the Lamb of God (God's Word) became our substitution in death & our separation from God for all eternity. If Jesus had not come we would all go to hell & deserving of it. But "in due time" ( Rom 5:6), He came to give His Life on our behalf, so for ALL WHO BELIEVE, they would not perish in hell but have everlasting life ( Jn 3:16). But if Jesus remained dead in the tomb, then we would have no worthwhile sacrifice & we would still be guilty of our sins. But we know, that Jesus rose from the dead showing His Victory over the power of death & Satan, & God accepted His payment for our sins & so justified us ( Rom 4:25). Justification = Just as if we had never sinned. This only can come through Jesus.

(from previous comment No 1). You may know that in the Old Testament, God's people, the Israelites (Jews), had to perform various sacrifices, along with observance of days & various other instructions (see Book of Exodus & Leviticus). Normally, payment for our sin (any sin) against God is death, but in His Mercy, God instituted these sacrifices and given to remind the people that for their sin, they had to make offerings by sacrificing an unblemished animal (lambs, bulls, sheep, doves, etc.) to God. The priests did this on behalf of the people. God accepted their sacrifice but we know that this system was temporal until the appearing of God's Gift of His Word made human ( Jn 1:14). (see next comment No 3).

Felix, so I've given you the meaning of Jesus Christ's Name & His incarnation (i.e. Word of God coming to Earth as a man to give God's Message & to give His Life for man's sins). You ask for more info, but you don't mention specifics. So I'll write further: Many people of different religions understand that Christians believe in three gods because they don't understand (& we ourselves can't fully comprehend the mystery of Almighty God). But in the Bible, God has shown us Himself throughout the ages as only One God ( Isaiah 43-45 often mentions God speaking as being only One). But God has revealed that He brings forth Commands & Words for His people, & He also sends out His Spirit to do His bidding on Earth (e.g. empower the prophets to prophesy, to direct worship to God, to work miracles, etc). So this is ONE God, but revealed to us in His Fullness: God, His Word & His Spirit. If one aspect of God is missing, then God wouldn't be God. (see next comment).

Need more info on that subject you are talking about

(Rest of comment). Thus Jesus Christ = The Saviour Who is Anointed. Only Jesus could be given this Name & Title together: no one else could ever fill this role of giving of His Life for the sins of mankind. Even though, the word 'Yeshua' or Joshua, is the Hebrew word for 'Jesus", a Joshua of any period of time could never have the 'Christos' attached to his name. So, Jesus Christ is referred to as the Son of the Living God. We know that God is One & is a Spirit Being, so He can't bear offspring; so by offering of Himself for the payment of mankind's sins (as man can't pay at all for his sin), He sent forth His Word ( Jn 1:1-14) clothed in humanity for our sakes. Need more info?

Felix, I'm unsure whether you want to know more about the One called Christ, or the origin of the name. So, the latter first, the word Christ is Christos in Greek; & Masiah (Messiah) in Hebrew & both mean, "one who is anointed". Jesus, of course, means "he who delivers/rescues; Mt 1:21 "He shall SAVE His people from their sins". (Rest of this comment next)

Who is Christ?

Thank you Chris

Felix, there is no difference in those names. The word "Ghost" essentially means 'Spirit'; so it's just another way of referring to God's Holy Spirit.

Is there a difference between the holy ghost and the spirit of God?

Thank you, Bob.

Sharon I believe you are referring to Leviticus 14 as mold was also called mildew in the Bible. Mold is a serious health issue. 37 And he shall look on the plague, and, behold, if the plague be in the walls of the house with hollow strakes, greenish or reddish, which in sight are lower than the wall;....

It is accepted that there are approximately 365 Old Testament prophecies relating to Jesus Christ. Some, directly speak of His coming and death, and others allude to aspects of His Life (e.g. Zech 11:12: thirty pieces of silver). The wonderful thing is that all of Scripture speak of the Glory of God and of His Son & in spite of man's fall, God's Love is still available to mankind and will pursue him till the curtain is drawn. What a wonderful Messiah - What a wonderful & Perfect Salvation.

Mike, to add to Kay's great comment: any crisis in one's life or in the family can get one despondent & sometimes irrational or lose control. If you have a loving family, you're blessed - many have to go it alone. If you belong to a Church Fellowship (or, at least seek to join one), the Church leader or Pastor can be of much help in counselling or directing you to others for help. When one in dire straits senses the love & support within his family & Church, the road becomes a lot easier. Peter, the apostle of Jesus, writing to some Churches in Asia (Turkey) encouraged them in 1 Pet 5:5-10, but especially with this: "Cast all your care (troubles/worries) upon God, for He careth for you"

In the book of revelation, what happens to the two-horned beast Because I read that the false christ and the dragon, and the beast that killed the two messengers from God all three get thrown into the lake of fire, but not the two-horned beast. Who else picked up on that And the two messengers from God are the one that overcomes the ten kings by the Gospel.

Number of Messianic Prophecies

You have done the first step of reaching out! Pray pray pray for Jesus to show you how to trust Him to lead you. He gave us the 10 commandments, in Exodus 20, to guide your life. He gave His life for you. There are lots of people that are helping people through this time. Free food at churches, banks are giving temporary low interest loans, delivery jobs need fulfilled, etc. Love your family and pray with them.

Philippians 4:13 New King James Version (NKJV)

13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

Praying for you.

Sedalia, you have touched on one of my pet subjects: govts. legislating laws & judiciary performance of them. This is for me very devastating. We need to understand that our Western govts. are largely based on Judaeo-Christian beliefs & laws, & they are not Christian govts. & will legislate according to what they believe is correct for society & according to public opinion (after all they are in power because of our votes). So, they will never be perfect, nor can we expect them to be, until the coming of the Holy & Just Judge, our Saviour. With that in mind, govts. have deemed that divorce, re-marriage, gay marriage, abortion, etc. are legal. How will they stand before God in that Day