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The Bible literally refers to God as Godhead, so the few who are uncomfortable with that term can simply use the word Godhead instead. There's a mountain of scriptures showing the dynamic and divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. We're here to defend Jesus Christ and anyone trying to discredit or smear His divinity. We should all pray for wisdom, understanding and truth as we read the scriptures so that we are not mislead by the enemy and buy into things that merely fulfill our itching ears.

John 1:1

1 John 5:7-8

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14

Matthew 1:23-25

Hebrews 1:8

Isaiah 44:6

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:29

Romans 1:20

Dear Donna,

You bring up an interesting question that I've never thought about before, but it doesn't trouble me like it may trouble you.

Like it says in 1 Peter 5:7 I would pray to God and fully give any burden or concerns about this to Him. Ask for peace in return.

I personally don't think the words said or not said by someone helping you be baptized are magical nor will be any determining factor on the legitimacy of your baptism. The power is not in any specific words spoken by someone else, but in the act of obedience on your part for taking an action step to follow Jesus.

My second observation is that many verses in the Bible cover things in different levels of detail. Acts 2:38 to me is just an general statement about baptism which is correct. And Matthew 28:19 seems to have a little more detail about in the name of and lists the Godhead. So, if a minister says either one, I think it's ok. The latter reference is more detailed complete answer IMO.

Some people get caught up on who they are praying to as well, and I totally understand the confusion, but while I personally believe prayers are generally to God the Father spoken through Jesus with aid of the Holy Spirit, I also think its fine to pray to Lord or Jesus or God in general. I think God will receive the message either way and knows our heart.

Another example is early in Genesis it says male and female were created then later it goes into detail about how each came about, just like a story with a thesis or overview with details in the body. But many assume that hey, male and female were already created so how come there's 2 accounts of it. The answer is its the same, one is an overview, and the other is detail. And this is how I interpret these 2 verses. Judas's death is the similar too- 2 different accounts with focus on different things at different times.

Congratulations on deciding to be baptized! Have excitement and peace over your great decision!

I want to get baptized in water. There seems to be some kind of dilemma with certain people about getting baptized in the name of Jesus only ( Acts 2:38). Peter said that. But I read in Matthew 28:19 that JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF said to baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit So am I to take away the commandment of Jesus Christ who is God? Peter didn't say Jesus ONLY did he? So do we delete what Jesus says for us to do before He ascended to the Father? How do we justify that? How can we deny His command? I mean it's pretty clear right? And since when did anyone's authority trump the authority of Jesus Christ? Except God the Father..if we say that someone added that verse to the Bible and it's not relevant, isn't that an attack on Gods word? I feel like the Lord God would not allow that to happen. He is God after all. Why would he allow that to happen? And if we start taking scriptures out of the Bible Well you can see where I'm going with that.

Hello brother. I wouldn't be able to help with this passage (especially John 20:17) in Hebrew as you would need to find a Hebrew reader who has the 'whole' Bible in Hebrew & not just the 'Tanakh' (Old Testament portions). As you know, the NT was written in Greek, so to read it in Hebrew would require a Jew who has come to faith in Christ & reads the whole Bible in his native Hebrew.

But to John 20:17, brothers Jesse or Giannis would do better than me (for the Greek language), but my understanding of the verse is as follows: I don't interpret the prohibition placed by Jesus on Mary not to touch Him was anything to do with defiling Him. It seems that from Matthew 28:1-10 we learn two things:

a. when they met the Angel who told them that Jesus was risen from the dead, he also told them to "go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead". So, I see that there was an urgency to leave the area & give out this news. And on the way to meet with the disciples, they met Jesus.

b. when Jesus revealed Himself to them, they fell to their knees to "touch" (lit. to grab) his feet/ankles in worship ( Matthew 28:9). But John then describes that event ( John 20:17) & writes that Jesus said to them: "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." Again, that sense of urgency comes up; Jesus had arisen from the dead & was preparing for His Ascension. The Marys holding onto Jesus, to talk/worship Him & keep Him with them a little longer, would only delay this important journey to Heaven. So after this occasion with the ladies & His appearing that same evening on the Lord's Day, I must assume that Jesus went into His Father's Presence in the interim. Therefore, I can't assimilate the fact of Jesus' High Priestly position & the abstention to touch Him of being relevant here. Maybe the other brothers can add or refute my understanding of this event.

Circular arguments on this topic remind me of an Abbott and Costello "who's on first" skit. In case anyone isn't aware, here are some scriptures describing one God with three components: father, son, and holy spirit. We likely will never 100% comprehend God nor should we expect to, but the fact is the Bible describes God as a triune Godhead, uses plural terms, says the three are "one", and I will trust God's Word over man's word. Christians will keep sharing the truth of the scriptures everytime someone tries to challenge God's word.

Godhead:

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:29

Romans 1:20

John 1:1

1 John 5:7-8

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 2:22-24

Matthew 1:23-25

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Hi dear "David Earl Taylor", i believe all who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved. Amen Hallelujah God Is. He has All the power. Acts 2.38-39

Just do not be fooled into the misery that is of no use to you. Paul writes a good deal to the Galatians, read the letter and see.

God bless u and yours with Heavenly wisdom in Christ. Jesus Loves u. Matthew 28:14-30

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image"

("us" is plural. God is plural.)

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

"there are three"

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

"Word was God."

There is no denying this says and means the Word was God. Who is the Word? The rest of John 1 reveals who.

John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

Philippians 2:5-8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

"Christ Jesus...being in the form of God"

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

John 20:28

"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

1 John 2:22-24

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."

Hi Jasmine, you asked several questions but I will just address your first question about God plural. It's plural because God is a triune being composed of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Beware of anyone pushing their own ideology and twisting scripture in order to accomplish their desired outcome. The Bible already says what it means and because it says this about God I choose to believe it.

Here are verses describing that. God bless.

John 1:1

1 John 5:7-8

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14

Dear Marsha,

I would read Matthew 28:18-20.

Hi Albert. I hope I'm understanding you correctly. "Why do we baptize in a name and Jesus was not (baptized in a name)"? As earlier mentioned, Jesus was baptized under John's baptism, which was a different baptism given to the populace & different again what was done to Jesus. I don't believe a name was necessary on both counts as John was baptizing the people indicating a contrition of sins but had no future perspective on how those sins were going to be dealt with. John was simply a forerunner & a proclaimer - announcing the One coming after him, so I can't imagine any Name requiring to be used for Jesus' baptism.

Whereas post Cross, as Peter/Paul baptized & also the Church did so since that time, water baptism had a different meaning to John's baptism. Christian baptism now looks back to the Cross & with an identification of the new believer with Jesus, indeed the Godhead (Father, Son & the Holy Spirit). As Jesus instructed His disciples to baptize (in Matthew 28:19), so His disciples would do accordingly. But when we look at Scriptures such as Acts 19:1-5, it appears that the Trinity formula is missing. But as we read, the believers at Ephesus had only received John's baptism & not 'believers' baptism'. So then Paul baptized them in the Name of the Lord Jesus. I don't believe that the 'trinitarian formula' was specially avoided, but simply a notation that the two baptisms were different, i.e. one was according to John, the other according to Jesus (i.e. His Sacrifice). Some believe that the formula has since changed, avoiding the 'trinitarian Name', but I see nothing to prove that was the case - nor would it even matter? I wouldn't throw a fit if I heard it this way. The significance of baptism shouldn't be lost is what's important, I believe.

Consider reading

Matthew 28:19 Jesus says

Matthew 28:20 Jesus says

Just to confirm Marke and you say here "GiGi", the robber on the cross got to paradise right away. : D We may be very surprised (if there is a surprise) in Paradise.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Surprise me Lord? You who have all Power in heaven and on earth. Matthew 28:18-20

John 8:31-32 Love u all have a nice Easter

Hey Raymond,

We see this in Matthew 17:1-9 Mark 9:2-10 and Luke 9:28-36, some may believe Moses and Elijah were in heaven and came and appeared, Jesus took Peter, James, and John up to the mountain, He was transfigured before them and Moses and Elijah appeared talking to Jesus.

If we take note of what Matthew writes, "And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. 9And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead"

It was a vision and a confirmation from God to these three that Jesus is the Son of God and the Law and Prophets will be fulfilled with the death and resurrection of Jesus. Mark 9:10 another place that shows things were hidden from the apostles until the Holy Spirit brought remembrance to them of what things Jesus had told them, John 14:26.

One other thing, Jesus is the Firstfruits of them that slept, 1 Corinthians 15:20. Jesus was the first to be raised from death Acts 2:24. No one has ascended to heaven, John 3:13 and no one will overcome death until Jesus returns on the day of redemption, Ephesians 4:30.

In my understanding of scripture to us today, Moses and Elijah are awaiting the resurrection, with no knowledge or time in death, to them, it has already come.

God bless,

RLW

Beings how Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus during the transfiguration where are they now? Also, where is this elaborated at in the bible.

Dear "RichFairhurst", i read your post, and got inspired :) In peace i say: It mayby is how Christians live today who is the big question here: Are we in the great apostasy? Too many people think they are on the right path, but few are so, said Jesus Himself! Matthew 22:14

Then i better understand that God is patient with us and the days are made for us Christians, all this comes from God we know! He wants everyone who is predestined to come to His Rest. 1 Timothy 2:3-4

Oh Good God help us and find the way! We are so terribly slow in perception and body that we divide the road and go wrong without knowing it! Lord, use Your time! Thank You for Your patience that can not be measured by anyone! God bless us all for repentance from dead works to faith in the Counsel of the Living God. He who Is.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Dear "Yvonne Haynes", Here you have found a question. :) Which probably has more views on it than i have. I will try to show you. A snake: Crawls, eels, bites, is poisonous, is cunning, hides, waits for the right moment.

A pigeon: Alert, stays at a distance, flies away easily, sensitive, notices everything, wants a quiet environment, peacefull.

In the kingdom of God for and saved souls, all this can be used for that cause and much more. These are opportunities we can use forever, and be a servant of Jesus Christ. So it is not a small option. This makes me think of all the possibilities. But we must be aware of and end up in the salad once in a while as well. :)

Good luck and here are some words from Jesus Himself:

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Dear "Bridgette Bradley", know that a Warrior is the strongest, the one who attacks and defends. The one who goes out first to meet the enemy. That's a big thing. To become this warrior, you must fill yourself with the Scriptures every day. Watch and pray in time and out of time. Be patient and strong because you do not get the prayer answers the way you want. You can often see the answers from a distance. And then the thanksgiving becomes great.

Joshua and Paul's letters have strategic war plans and are important in this gift. Be happy with what you have received, this is a very important gift. In the warrior task, almost all gifts lie latent. Try next time and use them when you go to church meetings. What can be difficult is to get a chance to speak. Pray that the Lord will make an opening for you. Keep praying for the people around you. Then of course in silent prayer. If you have been given another language, pray incessantly in that language. Good luck there is a gift that will build you up a lot. The Lord Jesus has not and will never leave you, look here!

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Dear "Latisha Horton", call on Jesus and remind yourself of the blood that flowed at Calvary. Speak loudly, for God raised up Jesus after He died, and He lives. The power of death is broken! Remind the powers and authorities of this. Then you command the tormenting spirits to leave you. Be strong and brave. And always be happy.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Welcome "Marvin Michael Kent", here there are always people who are willing to help as best they can. We are on the web, :) if your country is catholic you will automatically stay in that church. If you find another denomination in your country, it's fine to sign up there. Then you sign up, but everyone in a country, most countries must belong to the church to which the state is subject. So that everyone is also offered a place of burial. When we walk with God, we do not know where He is sending us. He may have a plan for your life there with the Catholics, who knows only Him.

I hope you understand my wording. Stay blessed and we have One Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Amen, come Lord Jesus Come. Be ready everyone for Jesus Coming Soon! Wake up you who are asleep, leap forward you who can not walk, read the scriptures and open your eyes. Look at Jesus do not lose Him in your sight.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.

Amen.

Stay blessed in His Holy Name Above all other names! John 10 and 11.

We must be careful in how we regard our service to the Lord. As we learn to walk and trust in the Lord God through His word, remember that all good things originate from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Before we start to expect things are due us because of what we do, or what position we hold: God always knows best. Like the old time tv series "Father knows Best." I just dated myself - LOL

Baruch felt he was due better things instead of being dragged around the country side with the remnant that remained in Jerusalem. After all he was the personal scribe to the prophet. He knew the prophecies given to be true and will come to pass. He just thought he should be treated better.

We as believers of Christ the Lord are not entitled to anything. Galatians 2: 20; Colossians 3: 1-3 We have the privilege to seek the wisdom of the Lord God and worship at His feet. We know what the Lord is fully capable of doing and giving. 2 Cor 10: 5 By filtering our thoughts in the Word of God, I can rejoice in Him, be at peace, and have comfort even though we are going through this current Pandemic, Ukraine - Russian war, supply hick ups; soaring gas/oil prices. Philippians 4: 6-10

No matter what happens we can be assured of our salvation in Christ Jesus if we believe and trust in the Gospel. Luke 10: 20; 1 John 5: 11-15. We have confidence in the Lord.

The only solution before us is the salvation of the leaders of world. 1 Timothy 2: 1-4 "...that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty." We must continue to carry out God's will for us. Matthew 28: 18-20.

May the peace of God shine on all on this forum. Know the Lord Jesus Christ, know Peace. No Lord Jesus Christ, no peace. Praying for all as we have the occasion to do so.

Praise His Holy name. March 10, 2022

May God continue to bless you Evelyn . You can be sure that God always has you in His sights and you can stand strong because He stands with you .

This is Manner from Heaven feeding my Hungry Soul. In a World that is desperate for this Bread of Life .No Words can express how grateful I'm to realize this eternal acceptence of the poor who was born in to sinful flesh and poverty of the goods of this World, Praise his holy neme he has opened the Windows of Heaevn and poured out blessings on me ,regadlessof the trials and testings and isolation from the World. In a Foreign Land with Langauge challanges and rejection and abuses by fellow Americans and Those charged with protecting Americans who reside here.To God be the Glory .If i was of the World ,the World would defend me ,Since I'm not of the World it hates me, but Jesus is my Constant family who adores me .What more could anyone want ?

The discussion of the rapture and its timing has been preached since about 373AD. Ephraem the Syrian was a great Christian saint. He was a Deacon and a Bishop. He wrote extensively in the early Church. He wrote a book on the "Antichrist and the End of the World" in 373 AD; in which he clearly states that the Lord will descend from Heaven and will take us to be with Himself so that we might escape the confusion that overtakes the whole world. This is a clear Pre-Tribulation Rapture statement made fifteen centuries before most people thought it was ever discussed. The idea that the rapture is a new idea or concept in the church is not true.

Our real discussion should be to be faithful, and pray for the saints to be obedient unto the Lord and make disciples as Matthew 28: 18-20 tells to us to do. Let us also pray for our President Biden to call on the Lord Christ Jesus for wisdom and courage in the midst of our nations woes - COVID 19, inflation, economy, the southern border, food shortages, crime, etc. Pray also for the leaders of other countries to be saved in the name of Jesus Christ our Savior.

1 Timothy 2: 1-4

1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

The Lord bless and keep all who are on this forum; and that His face shine upon you, and be gracious unto you and yours.

March 2, 2022

Hi Ruth, I believe it means water baptism. Water baptism is mentioned many times in the New Testament and is both physical and symbolic. If it wasn't important then Jesus would never have mentioned it and He wouldn't have baptized nor been baptized Himself, nor talked so much about it. But when I read it with an open mind and with no regard to denominational influence, it's obvious to me that at bare minimum this act of obedience is extremely important. The verses below are quite compelling. Beware of anyone who tries to sway you away from obeying or following Jesus. We can best avoid false teaching if we read God's Word and pray for wisdom and understanding. Link

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Mark 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

John 14:15 - "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

God bless

If The God of all the universe can hang worlds on nothing (gravity) and keep them there, then He can certainly give us a trustworthy instruction manual (Bible).

Attacking the words of Jesus and the Bible, is just another trick of the devil to lead people into false doctrine or "doctrines of demons".

Beware of sheep in wolves clothing.

I pray that I never bring accusation against Gods holy book. I'm going to trust the words of Jesus himself. I trust that if he did not say Matthew 28:19 then he would never have allowed it to be in the bible in the first place. Either I trust him or I don't. Either he is lord of all or not lord at all.

God bless us all with childlike faith. We are not ignorant of the devils devices. If he can get us to believe that the word of God is fallible then he can destroy our trust in God. I know we are in the end times we need to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves. We need to test every spirit to see whether it be of the Lord.

SolaScrip,

Matthew 28:19- (Words of Jesus about baptism)

Matthew 3:13-17

Jesus set an EXAMPLE of baptism for us and all three (tri-unity) were there. The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, all together, at the baptism. Jesus always led by example.

I am not seasoned in the word YET as are most of y'all, but I do know enough to know that the Bible says this;

Revelation 22:18

Revelation 22:19

With emphasis on revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Hello again, Sola Scrip

I guess we will just have to differ on this because I do not wish to "x" out commands of Christ to fit a specific narrative about practices in the church we do not know about. Just because the book of Acts has a handful of examples of baptisms being done in Jesus name, we do not know the EXACT words the apostles used in these baptism, nor the practice of the other 12 apostles and hundreds of disciples from the Upper Room Pentecost, nor the leaders of the churches that were planted by the apostles. However, baptismal practices are reflected in the writings of the bishops the apostles appointed over these churches, so I will base my position on the words of Jesus in Matthew 28:19, the silence of the epistle writers as to the exact words used in baptisms, and the witness of the writings of the bishops appointed by Paul and John and others. You can think what you wish. I do not wish to comnend on this matter any longer. Have a good day.

What we know, and can prove with scripture, is that there are zero examples of anybody being baptized into the trinity formula of father, son and holy ghost. And there are multiple examples of people being baptized into the Name of Jesus Christ.

On top of THAT, we have this:

"Be it known unto you all, and to all people of Israel, that by the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by Him doth this man stand before you whole. ... Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

Acts 4:10, 12

Pretty strong words there by St. Luke on the subject. I refuse to believe that Luke, or any of the other disciples of Christ, completely ignored a command from Jesus' mouth about how to baptize. And they all baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

Do you wish to be right in the eyes of men, ... or do you want to be right in the eyes of God?

"... let God be true, but every man a liar; ..."

Romans 3:4

'father, son and holy ghost' isn't even a proper NAME. It's a general TITLE, and multiple titles at that. Matthew 28:19 does not follow logic, reason NOR scripture as a whole. We are to judge all teachers, as well as scripture itself, BY scripture. The Bible defines, confirms and justifies ITSELF.

In a court of law, the trinity doctrine for baptism would not be found legitimate at all.

Oops rats, phone sent before I finished

Anyway

These writings say they baptized in the words Jesus stated in Matthew 28:19

I am not sure why some wish to quibble about this. So, if anyone wishes to explain to me why,I would appreciate that. And, as I said, this really doesn't have anything to do with the Catholic Church as it did not exist in the early centuries as a universal authority based from Rome