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  • Emmanuel ofosu on Matthew 16 - 14 years ago
    Jesus is the son of God and want's each of us to know that He is the son of God
  • Ben weaver on Matthew 16 - 14 years ago
    Response to Edrizal's questions of 8/22/11 about the "binding and loosing" of Matt.16:18. To me, this is describing the keys to the kingdom of heaven. In other words, to Peter and the church based on the premise "Thou (Jesus) art the Christ, the son of the living God", Jesus will give the power to bind and loose that which pertains to the realm of God's will being fulfilled, even while we are on earth. Believers in the solid rock, Jesus, now are authorized to bind the underworld powers and loose their victims like Jesus did while he was on earth. See John 14:12. We've got the power in the Name of Jesus. See also Eph. 2:6, 2 Cor. 10:4-5, 2 Pet.1:3-4.
  • Jael on Matthew 16 - 15 years ago
    V 16-23
    It's worth making a summary of the process and it's stages which result from a prophet level event occurring within a community. Scripture describes it in various ways, good examples of which being EXODUS and ACTS OF THE APOSTLES

    The prophetic events occur in an evil and sinful society: ALL members of the society are sinners greater or lesser. Government is corrupt, self-interested violent  and oppressive, controlling all aspects of plebeian life  and creating it's own morality to which all must conform and which revolves around the rightful invincibility of wealth - however acquired, ultimately.

    The prophecy is ALWAYS the same. It pinpoints sin, the consequence of sin, and the personal internal conditions which are responsible for sinful conduct, individual and communal. The individual is invited to  embark on the pilgrimage of salvation to avoid the ultimate consequences of it's own sinful life.The individual has assurance that this course of action will be protected in terms of the individual's living needs by the Cosmic processes whose creation encompasses purity of consciousness.

    The prophetic event attracts huge attention in the people who are desperately unhappy with their daily life and their  awareness that the prophetic assertion that material gratifications bring only momentary happiness at best is truthful

    But the  fact is no-one at all believes literally the idea that nature  will support those who reject materialism in favour of seeking to conquer their own demons and subordinating the rest of their life to this priority.  

    The ruling class perceiving the effect of the prophet  on the people begin the process of emasculation of the prophetic discourse  from which individual ruling class members will benefit financially. They understand the attraction of the polemic and also that people don't take it as literal truth which makes it ideal for the rulers' dissemination of fantasy, which is the lingua franca of bourgeois and working class life 

    The prophet, if it is an individual human, is either got rid of, or if it perceives its duty is to compromise, co-operates with the creation of an institutional disseminator ultimately under the control of the ruling authority. This individual prophet believes that incomplete messianism is better than none at all, despite the necessary doctoring of the teaching that will be necessary for survival at institutional  level

    The tools of the ruling class are a group of upper middle class people who have encountered the prophet and become envious of the prophet's wisdom and status. They become leaders of the new institution imbued with the messianic spirit, blissfully unaware of their own spiritual shortcomings and intent on building a hugely successful institution in whose reflected glory they will bask just as they perceived the prophet did. These will likely have invested funds in setting up the institution they intend to govern
    They in turn  recruit a force of "teachers" and/or ""leaders""who will have paid substantial sums for their qualifications and consequent right to exercise authority within the institution. They will have  extensive academic understanding  of the doctrines involved but of course reject absolutely any suggestion that the prophetic teaching be taken literally. 

    They in return recruit followers who become involved in all The ritualistic games and symbolic iconography designed to distinguish their institution from all other similar purveyors of delusion. They create the wealth of the institution.

    From this will  spring the internecine conflicts which can be anything from bitter commercial rivalry through vandalism, thuggery, terrorism to out  and out war! Empires,global  business and cultures all live and die in the ignorance propagated by world rulers this way  in the name of truth.

    The prophet originally arrived to warn people of the error they are in, the consequence that will follow and the steps required to resolve the negative destiny everyone faces as a result.  It ends up by being reprocessed into a simple message: carry on sinning, but think differently. Don't think at all preferably. RIP the human race. Ultimately

    The alternative is for prophetic conduits, fully recognising their own sinful natures,and  recognising the eternal nature of the knowledge bestowed upon them, to eschew formal , community methods of evangelism and to spread the word only when suitable opportunities present themselves during the course of and as an integral part of their own personal pilgrimages as seeker, devotee or yogi, and which they have embarked upon as instructed. This choice is frequently referred to by Jesus, who has a low opinion of those destined to form a church in His name ("Get thee behind me Satan").

    It's therefore open to debate whether the former with only a one-to-one procedure operated by a select few individuals over the millennia is more effective in creating  world awareness of Truth than the latter-  institutions which have mass reach but offer compromised versions of the eternal truth which promulgators  themselves obviously don't regard as literal truth and which followers are taught as a kind of cosy  membership code. What is true though is that whereas the individuals in the first category have the possibility to achieve a successful conclusion to their own personal pilgrimage, the members of institutions who deliberately teach false doctrines for the sake of institutional security and their own personal mundane glory, will simply remain in the cycle of life and death in which all sinners are eternally trapped, running the risk of remaining thus when physiological life is terminated during the first stage of Kali yuga which we are currently in, a state they will be forced to endure for maybe 500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000  solar or even galactic years.

    So the essence of the summary is that the Holy knowledge which has been made available over the years is not just something to be passed on to others and used as a source of income and self-promotion: it is the key to happiness for every living person to reach out for after abandoning a way of life which brings nothing but woe , punctuated, for the lucky ones, by moments of relief,  and inescapable by any other means, for all.The key, the tools to overcome and dissolve each and every one of our individual legion of personal demons, if we just trust and believe , and the guidance to keep us on the strait and narrow which is what we were all created for


      
  • Butch on Matthew 16:18 - 15 years ago
    There can be only 1 head of the Church & that is Jesus. He paid the supreme price for it. He said " Flesh and Blood has not revealed this" It was the Holy Spirit that revealed that to Peter. We are all just servants. There is no evidence to support that Peter was ever in Rome. What I got out of this scripture is the only way we able to stand in Our Salvation; Is to have have an experience that flesh and Blood has revealed. The one we will never forget
  • Phil on Matthew 16:16 - 15 years ago
    Matthew 16:16 is a revelation of 'Jesus as the Christ'. This revealed Jesus as the highest authority both in Heaven and on Earth;after this revelation, Jesus pronounced the believers' authority; the foundation upon which we stand as believers and upon which the Church is built.Indeed, 'Jesus is the Christ', the Lord of all.
  • Nene Baxter on Acts 2 - 15 years ago
    I would like to answer the question: The Bible says in Romans 8:9 that if we have not the spirit of Christ he is none of his, That's why we must be born again in John 3:3-7 of the water and the spirit. Jesus told peter that, in Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. The Bible is true and very well spoken and we must obey. On the day of pentecost peter used that key and he told the people how to be saved in Acts 2:38-47 and the Lord added to the CHURCH daily such as should be saved, the word CHURCH stand out because it was the key to salvation from the plan Jesus spoke to peter about. Please feel free to ask any questions.
  • Nene Baxter on Acts 2 - 15 years ago
    To reply to these comments on the Holy Ghost, God loves everyone reguardless of your state and condition. We as human has to be very careful of every word comes from our lips, Mark 3:29 do not speak against this or you will lose your soul. Please read the word and study it for youself and ask God for an understanding 1Peter 3:21 believe it, here it and be a doer for the sake of your soul. Read Matthew 16:18-19 where Jesus gave peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven, Acts 2:1 on the day of pentecost when the door was to be open, Acts 2:37-47 where the people gladly received the word and from that day forward they continued in the doctrine that was told them from Peter which has the keys to the kingdom of heaven strictly spoken to him by Jesus in Matthew 16:18-19. We as a people of God has to obey the scriptures and it is not so much as the name of your church, you have to obey truth. First there is faith then repentance,baptism in Jesus Name and receive the Holy Ghost, There is no other name under heaven given amoung men whereby we must be saved Acts 4:12 but in the name of Jesus. There is alot more I would love to share if you would like to know I'll be glad to answer if I can help you. God Bless You All!!
  • Jael on Matthew 16 - 15 years ago
    One minute Jesus calls Simon "Peter" then next moment he calls him "Satan" because Simon tries to persuade Jesus to put his bodily desires before God's purpose. Today we recognise so many who teach one thing and practice another and we wonder why are they teachers if they recognise God's truth but dont reach out for it themselves?
  • Karl on Matthew 16:28 - 15 years ago
    This at the end of chapter 16. You continue to read into chapter 17 where Christ explains to the desciples that John the baptist was the re-incarnation of Eli'as "But I say unto you, That Eli'as is come already and they knew him not," Verse 13 "Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist." I believe there are Christians still here from the time of Christ. yinsh
  • Ben weaver on Matthew 16:18 - 15 years ago
    V.18 Thoughts on when and how to prevail. If hades (the underworld) does not prevail, apparently the church does. Is this agressive victory only at the resurrection of the just in Christ, or is it being won during our life on earth? Jesus continues to compliment Peter by saying that he would posses the keys of the kingdom of heaven while on earth. Wouldn't believers on this solid rock also be able to bind the underworld powers and loose those that are enslaved to sin. We've got the power in the name of Jesus.
  • Rob on Matthew 16:18 - 15 years ago
    I agree with most of the comments above. Here is another line of reasoning to consider. 1 Corinthians 11:3 says that woman has a head which is man, man has a head which is Christ, and Christ has a head which is God. Whatever privileges were given to Peter does not dimishish the fact that he has a head and that is Christ. As the scripture point out "The head of every man is Christ." What else do we know about Christ? Ephesians 1:22 says that God made him head over all things to the congregation. This means that those who are given oversight in the congregation still answer to Jesus as their head. They must exercise their authority in imitation of Christ and accoring to Christ teachings not their own. Please keep these thoughts in mind as I continue.

    The Catholic Church has elevated Peter and all who succeed him as Pope. This non-biblical or Latin term means "father or Papa." Jesus specifically taught his disciples which included Peter not to call anyone on earth "father" in a religious reverencial way. ( Matthew 23:9, 10) The Jewish religious leaders desried titles of sorts. Jesus instead said that all you are brothers. Since the Catholic Church says that it is perfectly scriptural to call these men Popes they are in effect saying that Peter an all who succeed him are fathers of the church. If they are fathers then this makes them head. However, if Paul said that Jesus is head and if the Catholic Church says Peter and the rest are heads then the Church has two heads. They go against the headship arrangement for the Christian Congregation and they go agaisnt s direct order from Christ not to be called father.

    People can call Peter a rock all they want and as mentioned by the comments above he was rock like in his faith and in his confession of Jesus being the Christ, Son of the living God. He certainly was outspoken and often times did speak for the other apostles during Jssus time and after. But this did not make him Pope or father of the Church.

    Thank you for allowing my comment.
    rob
  • Frenz on Genesis 2 - 15 years ago
    This is where God commanded Adam And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

    17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    Before I begin let me say that God hath made 7 dispensation meaning God made different time of salvation and for every time, there was salavtion as I explain thru the knowledge of God wherein God commanded Adam to freely eat all the fruits in the garden, but the tree of knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat of it, for in the day you eat of it, you will surely die.

    So man disobeyed God when they eat the fruit of good and evil they died on that day because 1,000 years is ONE DAY FOR THE LORD. But before God remove them from the garden, He didn't let them go out without changing their dress, God put them with a SKIN OF ANIMALS which is the SKIN of the LAMB, THE TYPE AND SHADOWS TO COME, meaning this is where God will take place his salvation to mankind. The SKIN OF THE LAMB represent the BLOOD OF CHRIST to be SHED UPON (Heb.9:22) Without shedding of blood there is no remission of sin.

    The Skin covering of Adam & Eve representing what God will do to remove the CURSE (DEATH) which came into the world by ONE MAN, and so SIN entered the world, and DEATH passeth to ALL MEN, for ALL HAVE SIN. ( Romans 5:12) We are all BORN SINNERS IN THE SIGHT OF GOD ( Psalms 51:5) There is none righteous, no not anyone in the sight of God. ( Romans 3:10)

    The only solution for this CURSE that we INHERITED IS THRU RECONCILIATION BY OBEDIENCE THRU GOD'S WORD, THRU IMMERSION BY BAPTISM IN WATER IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF OUR SINS, AND YOU SHALL RECEIEVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. ( Acts 2:38-39), wherein you will clothed with Christ, and we will be buried thru his death thru baptism, that is why Galacians 3:27= All have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Because there is only ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, and ONE BAPTISM (Ephessians 4:5) There is only ONE GOD and he is the ALPHA, the OMEGA the BEGINNING and END ( Revelation 1:8)
    He is the IMAGE OF THE INVICIBLE GOD ( Colossians 1:15) He is the ONE True GOD that was manifest in the FLESH ( 1 Timothy 3;16) He is the True God and eternal LIFE ( 1 John 5:20) And He will be SOON COMING IN THE CLOUDS FOR HIS BRIDE (The Church) Titus 2:13) ( Matthew 16:18-19) For there is no other name in heaven whereby we must be saved ( Acts 4:12) He is the messiah that the Israelites until now still waiting for Him to come, but doesnt understand this Messiah is already came back to heaven in His throne as God Spirit ( John 4:24) To God be the glory in Jesus Christ name, amen.

    Godbless you all
  • Ben weaver on Matthew 16:18 - 15 years ago
    The first mention of the one church Jesus is building. This Bible word "church" has been wrongly used to mean; meeting house, the regular meeting of a sect, or the religious organization itself. Since the word meant "assembly of called out ones", there are other Bible uses of "church". In Acts 7:38, "church in the wilderness" refers to the assembly of those called out of Egypt. The church or body of Christ that he said he would later build, most likely began after the resurrection when believers were delivered and translated into his kingdom (Col.1:13 & Heb.9:17). The Apostle Peter was not yet converted at the last supper(Lu. 22:32). Possibly, when Jesus said,"Tell it unto the church" in Matt. 18:17, He was referring to another assembly, since his church would only be built later. Believers are they which have been called out of this failing world system and are being assembled into a living organism. The gates of hell fail to defend its demonic prison when His church, with His weapons, invade its borders. The weapons of our warfare...are mighty through God, to the pulling down of strongholds, casting down anything that attempts to imprison people from experiencing God ( 2 Cor. 10:4). We are the aggressors with a promised victory. Thanks be to God, through Jesus, we are more than conquerors.
  • Pam on Matthew 16 - 16 years ago
    My friend Richard thank you for your sincerity and love of Christ that you shrae with me and many. I post often and to be honest feel that I would like to post more. I'm almost hesitant to explore the possibilities of this site. I try to add something to contribute to be caring to others and praise our beautiful Lord. Thank you Richard for remembering me in such a way. We all are in need of this fellowship. Have a beautiful day, a gift from God..and so on and so forth in Christ always. Pam
  • Pam on Matthew 16 - 16 years ago
    My friend Richard thank you for your sincerity and love of Christ that you shrae with me and many. I post often and to be honest feel that I would like to post more. I'm almost hesitant to explore the possibilities of this site. I try to add something to contribute to be caring to others and praise our beautiful Lord. Thank you Richard for remembering me in such a way. We all are in need of this fellowship. Have a beautiful day, a gift from God..and so on and so forth in Christ always. Pam
  • Margaret on Matthew 16:19 - 16 years ago
    i dont see what u r saying here, i understood it by Peter knowing who Christ was, and how flesh and blood could not reveal it, but the Spirit of the Father, how the keys were given cuz of the knowledge of revelation.... DISIPLINE???
  • Richard on Matthew 16 - 16 years ago
    Pam, hope you are still on a good path. I am concerned, as you have been silent, and I ,as a believer, would like to think if I was a young Christian, someone would be caring about me.
    As a non 21st Century man, In Christ, we have to be our brothers keeper, not just rightious ghosts ,on an internet. This is not Christ's Facebook site!
    "...O Yea of little faith, why reason yea among yourselves?" Your commentaries, are selfish, imperious, and while you puff each other up like fat blackbirds on highway utilities wires, the Pam's of the world lie crushed in the road, unseen by you. Open your eyes, you that see. Open your ears you that hear. Use this tool to spread the Gospel,and love each other.
    Pam, I too am a sinner and I admit My failing. Forgive me, and all of us pray to hear from you soon. I pray this website will join hands to help DEFEAT the soon coming enemy. It has all been written. Read and Believe. There is no debate.
  • Pam on Matthew 16 - 16 years ago
    good message that I think I must reread but pray first for understanding.
  • Richard on Matthew 16 - 16 years ago
    As I go through these chapters again, I am alone, at peace, with only my perfectly faithful dog at my side. God's time has let the Holy Spirit fall on me, again, and again, (I'm 61) and the absolute clarity of His words today, has made me just want to JUMP out of my house, (two stories), to be of solace and prayers for this poor poor World. Jesus wept.
    Whomever let this site, post my last message, we will surely be blessed and condemned....but Jesus..... is smiling in Heaven. Myself and you have paid that price, " If any man have the name and credit of a disciple let him follow Christ in the work and duty of a disciple."(MH) We must not allow pride, or the world, to soften or distort(by man) the TRUTH. This is my Cross, and I cannot fail.
    Thank you, and God, for I have found another Brother. I will pray that someday we will physically stand together. I want to look into another pair of crystal clear eyes. With the courage to lose so much, in Christ's name, for His Truth. For Pam, and so many others. God Bless, His coming is so near.......Richard


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