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Two versions two witnesses only say what they heard one heard one thing other hear something else . Only say what they hear that's why some differences in Gospels . You are witness in court must tell truth and only say what you hear and see . You see one thing someone else see something bit different from different angle . Matthew Mark Luke and John just four of many witness only say what they saw and heard . One thing happen four people see and hear from different angles .

12 Aug 2022

Mark 15:32 and Luke 3:29-43

Theses two scriptures seem to be pointing out a different picture. One verse states

both of the two crucified with CHRIST reviled him.

The other verse states one mocked him and the other called HIM LORD.

Somebody please explain

Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? - Jesus said these words

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? - Jesus said these words

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Ronald

Now in verse Matthew 27:53 the word "egersis" literally means "rising" and is another way of saying resurrection, like rising from the dead. If I understand well, you mean that those people that were resurrected were the ones that Jesus meant in John 5:28-29 so as to prove to Jews that He is the Son of God? Right? But verse 29 says "And shall (the resurrected people) come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." So it seems to me that Jesus talks about the future resurrection of the dead and the consequent judgement. Anyway ...

Now I also have a question. What time was Jesus crucified? In Mark 15:25 it says 3rd hour, that is 6+3=9 o'cock in the morning. Right? But in John 19:14, it is 6th hour (12 at noon) and Jesus is still standing infront of Pilatus.

GBU

Matthew 8:15, Mark 1:31, Mark 15:41, Luke 8:3,

LaNette M. Tolliver

Please read : John 11:1-53,

Luke 16:19-31, someone I believe it was "Chris" in previous discussion multiple months ago, pointed out most Parables, if not all were without name, but this one, perhaps being about Lazarus.

John 12:1-18,

The sisters have much also mentioned it appears : Luke 10:38-42,

Matthew 27:56,61, Matthew 28:1, Mark 15:40,47, Mark 16:1,9, Luke 8:2, Luke 24:10, John 19:25, John 20:1-18,

Possibly even: Romans 16:6,

Hopefully these are helpful

Jew = tribe of Judah

Please note: Genesis 29:31-35, Genesis 35:23,

Genesis 44:18-34, Judah offers to be taken prisoner & suffer for his brother's accused crimes, because of the love he had for his father. Note: John 10:14-42, John 14, John 17, John 3:10-21,

Note: Exodus 12:35-38, Exodus 12:48, Esther 8:17,

Genesis 49:1,2,8,9,10,11,12, Genesis 46:12, Luke 3:23-38, Hebrews 7, Hebrews 8:7-13, - Hebrews 9, Matthew 2:1,5,6, Revelation 5:5,

Notice Genesis 49:10,11,12 = Matthew 21:1-16, Mark 11:1-10, Luke 19:30-46, John 12:11-16, Matthew 26:17-56, Mark 14:1-72, Luke 22:1-20,37,

Zechariah 13:6, Psalms 22:1,7,8,14,15,16,17,18,30,31, Matthew 27:35,37,41,43,46,51,52,53, Mark 15:3,6,15,20,24,27,28,29,31,32,34,38,

John 19:11,14,16,18,19,20,23,24,28,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,

Isaiah 53

Hopefully these are helpful

Dear Les,

Our members of congress are elected into office and do not play any priestly role in our society. The chief priests were appointed within the Sanhedrin (which is not Mosaic in origin-rather came about from the babylonian exile which also brought about the synagogues and rabbinic order). These chief priests were of the particular lineage of Levi through Aaron, who, only, could be priests from the tribe of Levi. The priests served in when they came of age in some capacity with the temple worship and ceremonies. The High priests or Chief priests were priests who were elevated to a position of authority and rank above the other priests. So, in these respects the chief priests were not like our members of Congress.

But, it is believed that there was much corruption among the Chief priests of Jesus' day. They also held political power (in a religious sense) in some way. So in this respect, they are similar to our members of Congress.

Gigi I was just trying to see if there was a similarity with the Chief Priests and our members of congress. It sounds very similar to what is going on today. Thank you.

Les

Hello, Les, nice to meet you today.

I just finished reading about the chief priesthood concerning your questions on the Got Questions site. I recommend going to that site to find answers to your questions. I googled Chief priesthood in Judaism and clicked on the site for Got Questions.

There was 1st a Priesthood in: Genesis 14:18,

Another priesthood established after 400+ yrs of captivity of Israel in Egypt. Established in Exodus 28:1, described & defined & detailed in; Exodus 28, Ex. 29, Ex. 30, Ex. 31, Ex. 35, Ex. 38, Ex. 39, Ex. 40, Leviticus 1, note the Name, Aaron being in the Levi lineage= Exodus 2:1, Numbers 26:59, if you want to study the laws of the Priesthood all the chapters of Leviticus, I recommend.

Numbers 3:1-45, clarified who was allowed to be in the Priesthood. Note: Numbers 3:32, Numbers 4, breaks down duties of each family, within that tribe, separated by GOD specifically, Numbers 3:12-13, Numbers 3:41, Deuteronomy also describe the duties. This continued through the book of Joshua. King David & king Solomon, re-established the Levitical Priests; 1Chronicles 6:10, then again at the return of the Babylonian captivity re-established by Ezra, Nehemiah, Haggai, & all Israel that returned.

Therefore by these recorded accounts it appears the priesthood that existed during the moment your referring to in Mark 15, were traditional heirs of the priesthood as established, in Exodus. Respected & upheld by Jesus himself= Matthew 8:4, Mark 1:44, Luke 5:14,

Please read Isaiah 53, Zechariah 13:6, John 18:35,

Interestingly in: Luke 1:5, Luke 2, Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6, Jesus Our High Priest.

They swayed Pilate, Matthew 27:24, Mark 15:15, Luke 23:4-23, John 19:8-15, yet GOD ordained it & Christ allowed it, John 10:17,

I find it useful to read & study many Books of the Bible to answer my questions within one part of another Book.

Hopefully these are helpful & fully answer your questions

The Jewish leadership has been trying to destroy Jesus since early in His ministry ( Mark 3:22-30). At least twice, they have been prepared to stone Him ( John 8:59; 10:31). They don't want to execute Jesus during the Passover and week-long Feast of Unleavened Bread ( Mark 14:1-2); Jesus has too many supporters who may cause a riot ( Mark 11:1-10; 14:1-2). But since they have Him, it is much better if He is executed quickly.

The Sanhedrin has a lot working against them. If they imprison Jesus, His followers could rile up the travelers from Galilee, Judea, and the surrounding area who at least think He is a prophet, if not the Messiah. Because of Jesus' popularity, the number of Galileans in Jerusalem, and the fact that the Jewish council cannot execute someone, they need the Romans to kill Jesus. Were Jesus less-renowned and less-connected to conflict with religious leaders, they likely would have been content to let a mob break Roman law by stoning ( Acts 7:54-60). Roman officials hold their trials in the early morning; if the Sanhedrin waits until later in the day, Pilate will not be available. At evening the Sabbath begins, so they need to move fast.

This verse does not describe a second trial before the Sanhedrin. The trial in Mark 14:53-65 happens concurrently with Peter's denials in Mark 14:66-72. "Held a consultation" means the evidence-gathering is over and the council members are making their final decision. They have already convicted Jesus of blasphemy according to the Mosaic law ( Mark 14:63-65). Likely this discussion is to decide on what capital offence against Roman law they will present before Pilate.

John, adds more detail ( John 18:28-32). When the members of the Sanhedrin take Jesus to Pilate's house, they do not enter. As residents of Jerusalem, they eat the Passover that afternoon, and will become unclean if they enter the home of a Gentile. After Pilate interviews and flogs Jesus, the Sanhedrin makes their case again.

In Mark, Chapter 15, Verse 1, a group known as the Chief Priests were mentioned. I would like to know, what group of people made up the group known as the Chief Priests? Who were they . where did they come from, how did they wield so much power as to sway Pilate?

Thank you.

Although the main focus is on Jesus and two crucified criminals it does not rule out the probability of other crucifixions being carried out in the same place at the same time.

You: "there is no spiritual death, Spirit CANNOT DIE"

God: "...and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Rev 21:8

If I might add something about the first and second resurrections, the first resurrection is for those who are saved. This resurrection takes place when Christ comes for His church. The dead (in Christ) will rise first (resurrected), and then we (believers) which are alive and remain with be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

The second resurrection takes place after the 1,000 reign of Christ. That resurrection will be for all those who rejected Christ. There will be no hope of salvation for those in the second resurrection ( Revelation 20:5-6).

There are two deaths. There's physical death, and there's spiritual death. There's an old saying that says that a believer is somebody who has been born twice but dies once. You're physically born, and you're spiritually born. And when you physically die, that will be the only death you will experience because you'll be with Christ forever.

The non-believer is somebody who is born once, but dies twice. They die in death here, and then they are resurrected and put in the lake of fire for the second death. The second death is eternal separation from Christ in the lake of fire.

Susan,

Mark 15:32 says that these two thieves were insulting Him. That is true. But we know from the other accounts that one of these thieves afterward turned and received Christ as Messiah. Jesus said today you shall be with me in Paradise. Until a person takes their last breath, they still have the opportunity to confess who Christ is and receive Him. This is exactly what one of them did.

Susan:

We are the two thieves on the cross.

One saved in the first resurrection.

The other to be saved in the second resurrection.

It's the work of that death on the cross, that CAUSES this reviling to TURN into confession unto salvation.

Today you shall be with me in paradise (the presence of God).

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....CHRIST IN YOU ......

God Bless YOU!

One of those moments when you read and the KJV and you see something that startles you. BOTH individuals being crucified with Jesus reviled him; meaning the one that was saved, right before he was saved, actually called Jesus out in a derogatory manner? Mark 15:32. Am I missing something? All along I thought it was only the thief on the left?

Hebrew days were from sunset to sunset'; the 24 hours were divided into 12 hours of the night (reckoned from sunset); and 12 hours in the day (reckoned from sunrise. See John 11:9) Hence the 6th hour of John 19:14 was our midnight; the 3rd hour of Mark 15:25 was our 9AM; the 6th hour of Mathew 27:45; Mark 15:33, Luke 23:44, Acts 10:9, was our noon; the ninth hour of Mathew 27:45,46; Mark 15:33,34; Luke 23:44, was our 3PM

Expression a night and a day equals a 24 hour day ( 2 Corinthians 11:25) denotes a complete day (Gr. nuchthemeron)

I'm glad you asked!

Exodus 25, is where/when the Bible 1st describes the Ark of The Covenant / Testament. Exodus 26 is the detailed description of it's strict rules of being set within the holy place and the most holy, sanctified, behind the veil Exodus 26:33, then Exodus 30, Exodus 31, Exodus 35, Exodus 37, Exodus 39, Exodus 40,

Leviticus 16:2, is where the LORD warns, there are/were strict rules, even risk of life going before the Ark of The Covenant / testament,

Numbers 3 & Numbers 4, explains the care of the Ark & all things regarding the Temple; had dedicated people, & their children, that specifically looked after covering for items, even carrying them. Example: Numbers 4:5-15 note again threat of death in Numbers 4:15, & Numbers 4:16-20,

Note Numbers 7:89, Deuteronomy 10:5,8, Deuteronomy 31:26, Joshua 3:13-17,

1Samuel 5, 1Samuel 6, 1Samuel 6:19, remember the rules, GOD specifically said. 2Samuel 6:3-7, 1Chronicles 13:10, 1Chronicles 15:2-3, 1Chronicles 15:12-15, there are more examples._..if you would like more, let me know.

Significant that during the crucifixion of JESUS Christ our Savior that holy veil was torn: Mark 15:37-39, Luke 23:42-47, Matthew 27:50-51,

* Hebrews 10, Hebrews 9,

Please read Hebrews 10 whole chapter

Hopefully these are helpful

Daniel chapter 12 verse 20

1Timothy 5:8, please read 1Timothy 5, for context, it's not just talking about immediate family but providing for Aunts.

Titus 1:7, 1Corinthians 4:2, Luke 19, Luke 12, Matthew 25,

Matthew 27:35, John 19:24, Psalms 22:18, Mark 15:24, Luke 23:34, Joel 3:3, Obediah 1:11, Nahum 3:10, Esther 3:7-15, Esther 9:24,

Leviticus 16:8-10, Numbers 26:55,56, Numbers 33:54, Numbers 34:13, Jonah 1:7, Acts 1:26,

Proverbs 16:33, Proverbs 18:18, Luke 1:9,

Please read the following

Hebrews 10:1-31, Hebrews 9:1-28,

The law of Priests, regarding the Ark of The Covenant & Holy of Holies : Exodus 25:8-22, Exodus 26:33,34, Leviticus 16:1-34, Deuteronomy 10:8,

note: Hebrews 9:3-5,

1Samuel 3:1-3, 1Samuel 3:19, * 1Samuel 3:20, 1Samuel 7:15,16,17, 1Samuel 8:1, doesn't call Samuel or his sons priests, 1Samuel 9:9,10,15,19,

* 1Samuel 4:3-11, 1Samuel 4:22, 1Samuel 5:1, 1Samuel 7:2, The Ark of The Covenant was taken,

1Samuel 8:5,6,7,19,22,

David didn't become King until after Samuel passed on. 1Samuel 25:1, while David was still hiding from Saul. 2Samuel 6:1-9, is David's 1st attempt to retrieve the Ark of The Covenant, 2Samuel 6, * 1Chronicles 13:3, Please also read 1Chronicles 15,

Significant note: Luke 1:5-23, Matthew 27:51, Mark 15:38, Luke 23:45,

Dear "Janet D", Body, soul and Spirit all belong to the Lord. Jesus came to earth for us in a carnal state. Compared to Him, we are sinners. He was/is not. But on the Cross God neeeded too leave Him, so Jesus could die. Jesus had to use his last strength in a few words. Mark 15:34

When we say we are not sinners it is because Jesus simply, the one / those who believe in Me will be saved. John 14:6. We are washed clean of what He bled on Calvary. John 13:10 What was before Christ was a lawful deed. Is now by His offer given us freedom from the law. Jesus fulfilled the whole law.

I can not give you any shortcuts. But for your own part, read the New Testament and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. Also read the references to the old testament. Get the assurance of salvation dear.

The apostle Paul writes a lot about Sanctification, the body of sin and salvation in his letters, example Romans 8

Be and stay blessed in His Holy Name, love u in Christ.

Isaiah 46:10,

Genesis 1, Hebrews 1:10,

Revelation 21:6, Revelation 22:13, John 1:1-5, Ephesians 3:9, Colossians 1:18, Luke 24:27, Revelation 3:14, Revelation 1:8,

Psalms 80:15-17, symbolic? Genesis 2, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, Zechariah 3:8, Zechariah 6:12, John 15,

Isaiah 53, Luke 23, Psalms 22, Mark 15:34, Mark 15, in context

Hebrews 9:24-28,

The last, 1Corinthians 15:45, Romans 5:12-21, John 19:30,

Hopefully these are all helpful in your study

Jesus suffered and died on the cross for our salvation, if I may suggest that you read Hebrews chapter 10 and it explains the necessity of Jesus dying on the cross.

John 19:19, Matthew 27:40-42, Mark 15:30-32, 1 Corinthians 1:18, Hebrews 12:2

Perhaps these might complement the other answers.

Matthew 27:32

Mark 15:21

This is my name.

It's alright if you don't wish to respond to me, which ever the reasons may be. Please read: John 19:28, 1 Peter 1:20,

John 19:36, prophetic fulfilled by Isaiah the same Prophet that declares GOD's recompense, vengeance, punishment. Romans 11:2,

Luke 4:18,19, Isaiah 53, Luke 4:23-27, Galatians 3:8, Acts 8:32, Mark 15:28, Psalms 22, John 19,

John 19:37, John 20:9, 2 Timothy 3:16, Mark 12:10, John 13:18, John 7:42, John 17:12,

Luke 8:28

Jude 1,

Matthew 25:31-46,

I love, verse 39. Even, when, I started to read the KJV, I knew, this Centurian became a Christian, because, God is in capital letters. And what makes this verse great, is the fact, that this Centurian could have been the one who reviled Jesus the most, and Jesus, thought upon him, while he was on the cross! I believe, we will see that Centurian in Heaven