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My brother Robert,

I am very confused on why you curse those who believe in God as triune or three in One. Yet you seem to believe that Jesus is "dual nature". As you state. All God and all Man. Which is the same thing. Dual is consisting of "two" parts. Again proven throughout the gospels that Jesus was not speaking to or praying to Himself. He was praying to His Father in Heaven who sent Him, was with Him, and in Him. As God is Spirit. They being One.

So it seems ok with you for two as you state "dual nature".

I will humbly ask you to please explain one verse my brother. Please help us understand your view.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

So the dual nature of Jesus which is God(Spirit) and flesh. The Word is what became flesh and we beheld His glory as of the only begotten of the Father. Plus the Holy Ghost equals three. Exactly as (1 John 5:7 states. All of One God.

May the Lord bring us together in peace. Amen.

"there is no proof that supports the Trinity." Do you not count the Bible as proof, because the Bible is full of proof:

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

How else can you explain this verse "these three are one" other than that these three are one? Doesn't it literally mean what it says? And how do you explain all the other verses that echo the same thing?

There is no proof that the father, son, and holy ghost is NOT all one. It literally says that in the Bible 1 John 5:7, does it not? Where is your proof that the Bible isn't true? How do you know that you haven't been deceived?

Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"

1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

1 John 5:10 "He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son."

1 John 5:11 "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son."

Rick, I believe that the early Church had elevated Jesus Christ to the "level of God". We might not see it in their writings as the Bible doesn't reveal what the Church actually preached to Christians, but shows us what the apostles taught them or on what issues they were taken to task over. So assuming that what the apostles believed & taught through their epistles, we have many Scriptures that confirm that the Godhead includes Jesus His Son.

Some of them are: 1 Corinthians 8:6; Colossians 1:15-17; Colossians 2:9; 1 John 5:7; Philippians 2:5-8.

But if you're referring to the early Church after the close of the apostolic era, then I can send you some quotes from the likes of Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, etc. So this teaching on the Trinity is not something recent as we are led to believe or from the RCC, but the firm belief of the apostles, of the apostolic Church & the Church in the 3rd Century onwards. You may believe that Jesus was perfect in every way securing our salvation through a perfect Sacrifice, but if He wasn't God in the flesh, then our salvation remains on shaky ground: it had to be God Who gave up His Life for us in demonstration of that pure Divine Love - the provision of any other 'perfect Sacrifice', whether human or animal by God is no demonstration of Divine Love - only of a Divine Provision which could necessitate the need for further sacrifices (as was done in the OT). Jesus was the one & only Sacrifice that could fix man's inherent problem - if He failed, there would remain no other sacrifice available for God to give us.

Robert, I literally quoted the Bible and broke it down to word for word detail, but instead you call me a 'twister' which seems like a disrespectful thing to say to someone. Instead actually sharing evidence yourself it seems you dodge and talk about other things to justify your belief. What if the Bible is right and you're interpretation is incorrect? What if you're actually the "twister"?

1 John 5:7 - is so simple a child can understand what it means. I know what it means. Do you? Have you prayed about it with an open heart and asked God to reveal His truth to you?

1 John 4:3 - The Bible says someone who doesn't believe Jesus is from God has the spirit of the anti Christ. That is a very serious matter.

Have you looked up these verses and prayed about this?

A description from one of my bible study books from my youth, "The only true God is the Triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, three distinct Persons in one divine Being" I watch Billy Graham on a regular basis, and he explained it in one of his sermons as water; you have liquid, ice, and vapor. three separate forms but one of the same as in H2O. There is God the Father, the Word was made flesh (Jesus) for our salvation through the cross, and the Holy Ghost guides us to the cross (conscience) This I know is hard to understand if at all with our finite minds, but nowhere in the bible does it say that we must understand, but only believe (faith). I've submitted a few verses of scripture to support what I'm trying to say but there are several others throughout the NT starting with Matthew1:18, I hope this helps you

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

No. I'm not saying he was wrong. I'm saying given the archaic english, our understanding of the passage is wrong. When he said no one knows except the father, he was saying that he couldn't say because his father would say not that he didn't know.

Did God raise Jesus or did Jesus raise himself. The answer to this we find in John 10:18 "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

Now the nature of the Godhead. That is a mystery. One we shall have to wait and see to find out. The very fact we have a triune God (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost 1John 5:7 ) defies the laws of nature that we perceive. God's characteristics Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient also defy our laws of nature.

As for the Council of Nicaea, this council was held to address the heresy that had entered the church saying that said Christ wasn't divine. Not to establish a new doctrine. There by confirming the Biblical Trinity.

There 'IS' a time to answer a fool as the very next verse says in Proverbs 26:5, "..lest he become puffed up (or wise) in his conceit/deceit.." Amen? Amen!

by so doing we truly become Christ like or 'Christian'. Search the scriptures ( John 5:39) and see how Jesus responded to his accusers. Meek is strength (in The Lord) & not weak!

Kol tuv i.e. be well :-)

I have nothing to do with the RCC doctrine, in Jesus teachings (KJV) he tells us to believe as little children and so I do believe when I read my bible, I don't understand a lot of it, such as how could Jesus raise someone from the dead, but I know he raised Lazarus, John 11:43, or how could he walk on water as in Matthew 14:25, but I know he did, and many more. Nowhere in the bible does it teach us that we need to understand, but only believe, believe as little children, when you see the trust and faith that a child has in their parent this is what Jesus teaches, only in the cross and his saving grace. the thief that was saved on the cross, he didn't have time to read up on scripture but only believe, and so on. I watch Billy Graham episodes on y tube, on a regular basis, and in one of his sermons he describes the trinity as in water, in water you have, liquid, ice and steam, they are all have the same components, but are different in form. So also as in 1 John 5:7 "the Father, Word and Holy Ghost and these three are one", neither do I understand this, but I know it's true.

Mark 10:15 "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein."

I will say with absolute confidence that if anyone does not believe Jesus is 100% man and 100% God cannot be saved from the consuming fire and a bottomless pit that is to come , for you must believe that This same Jesus had NO sin / He was made to be sin for us 'that had no sin 'that we might be made the righteousness of God in HIM.Paul tells us in Romans - that all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God , further more we see the three accounts of John in Jn 1:114 1John 5:20 and of course Rev 1:718! You Must read in context line upon line percept upon precept.- there is an immediate context and remote , this is the first law of hermeneutics.

Tell me ROB - are you a Jehovah witness ? I would like to talk to you about 1Cor 15:24

Hello Raymond,

I believe we are all going to have to give account of what we have done in our lives whether good or bad.

As in 2 Corinthians 5:10

One thing that some people denote is that there are two different "judgement" seats. As in English we cannot see this. One word they use for "judgement" is "krisis" transliterated from Greek. As it is used for "accusation, condemnation, damnation, judgment" in the Bible. The other word is "bema", also used for "judgement' in English, as the usage in the Bible is " judgment-seat set [foot] on throne." Some people say this is more for handing out rewards rather than condemning.

As there are two verses I know of in the Bible that says a "believer" shall not come into "krisis" or condemnation. One is John 5:24. The other is Romans 8:1 that states there is no condemnation to them that are in Christ.

As 2 Peter 3:7 states "krisis" judgement is kept for the ungodly people.

Hope that helps some. God Bless.

As Christians we do believe in the triune God, throughout the NT Jesus and the apostles explain this, these are only a few bible verses to confirm this.

Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

1 John 5:10 "He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son."

1 John 5:11 "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son."

Because we focus on Sunday and Sabbath and concentrate around Sunday and Sabbath only. We did not understand anything.

We have search the scripture thinking that in them we have eternal life ( John 5: 39) but we did not understand, see and know God and God's ways.

It does not Matter if anyone worship on Sabbath or Sunday, but if one can faithfully follow the laws and words of God in the Bible can control himself to be right with God and later when dead can have eternal life. He or she will keep every days (1 to 7) holy and be right with God. This will be the true meaning of Sabbath and the Commandment and Sunday.

Yes. And Jesus is also a Father to Israel, the church, his body because he is the Son of David. He is the head of the body, and therefore the brain power of the body. He has also given us the power to become sons of God because we believe on his name ( John 1:12).

The church is the New Jerusalem. The ancient nation of Isreal can only access God the Father through Christ, their promised Messiah. If they reject Christ, they have not God the Father (1 John 5:12; 2:23).

God told me to tell everybody that he is coming and told me to warn the very least among us from the son of perdition (doom), the anti-christ, from Daniel's little horn (the kingdom of Judea). On march 22, 2019, God woke me up about 2:02 in the morning to the sound of the trumpet, followed by the declaration, "Jesus, the Messiah."

God also told me "The next One World Order will be Communism where the military again will be champion."

He told me also, "The Beast will come from the Mediterranean" and "When the World Dictator comes he will have a translator with him."

He has told me many things that I have documented and will share for free when I am done writing.

Please join me in letting others know that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is coming very soon but before he comes, the anti- christ ( 2 Thess. 2:1-12).

Those who reject Christ are in opposition to Christ or anti- christ (Judaism and Islam). They are striving over an inheritance from their father Abraham that they can only access through the cross.

Andrew, "The idea of an eternal soul is not Biblical. "- Not so. "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." John 5:28&29 Every soul has an eternal destination.

"But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: and have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust."Acts24:14&15 Paul has an expectation/hope, as he understood the law and prophets, to teach also. An eternal state for all souls IS biblical.

As Christians we believe in the triune God; Father, Son and Holy Ghost, three distinct Persons in one divine Being, or Essence. (The Holy Trinity)

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God."

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

Thanks it explains the Pentecostal and prosperity gospel/ church And also the catholic and cofe church.

As Christians we believe in the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, which is impossible to understand with our finite minds,

I believe one needs to read the first chapter of John (where he calls Jesus the Word) and also 1 John chapters 4 and 5 we may have a better understanding of the Trinity

John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

1 John 5:5

"Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?"

1 John 5:7

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:8

"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

Okay, in Jeremiah 10:9, we have a description of those given to idolatry & the extent the heathen go to to beautify their idols (maybe finding more merit by giving the idols extra honour). Such was their efforts to glorify their idols, that even their clothing was the finest ('blue & purple' - which the common man could never afford), as they worked meticulously in their wicked craft & were very skilful at it ("cunning men").

I don't believe we can equate the colour of their clothing to anything sinister today. Some of course wish to show off their outward appearance & wealth, but the purity of one's heart & holy lives are of greater worth in the sight of God.

Thank you for ur reply

I was referring to Jeremiah 10v 9

It was just a coincidence that I came across people wearing /dressed in blue and purple and we evidently mocking and blaspheming scriptures and using the word of God to wish evil to come to pass

You appear to group ALL Churches by these descriptions. I realize that many do not wholly follow the Word of God, often bending & twisting Scriptures to suit their own ends or even in gross perversion of biblical Truths, but you would need to give specifics to your statements/questions, which seem too generalized.

I think you might be referring to 2 Chronicles 2:7: "Send me now therefore a man cunning to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass, and in iron, and in purple, and crimson, and blue, and that can skill to grave with the cunning men that are with me in Judah and in Jerusalem, whom David my father did provide." And there are other verses in similar vein about "purple", e.g. Exodus 35:35.

The word "cunning" is an archaic word for 'skilled'. You could also use words such as 'being adept in performance or having manual dexterity'. And these men were selected for their ability to work with fabric, producing high quality workmanship.

Why do churches practice

'the image of jealousy'?

doctrines of vanities?

And doctrine of devils?

Why do preachers want to be a minister of Satan and not a minister of Christ Jesus ?

If a person clothes himself in blue or purple is that person 'a cunning man'?

Or is that person mocking God?

So whether it's Art that is your hobby (& that is a great past-time requiring the creative part of your brain) & it takes up some of your spare time, or something else, such as reading, engaging in constructive games with family, friends, or on the Web, all these & many more that we can do to keep ourselves occupied & not let our minds begin to wander. Even helping a friend or neighbour out, can be very satisfying.

When the mind wanders, it sometimes settles on thoughts that are not right or pleasing to the Lord. As you train yourself to focus on other worthy things in life & keep yourself busy, you'll find that your attitude & perceptions of others will also change. When once you looked at women with lust, you will now consider them differently in a godly way, & not as objects bringing on wrong thoughts. And when the time comes for you to settle down in marriage, as you ask the Lord for the right person to be your wife, you will see her & appreciate her for who she is & her contribution to your life & not just for sexual satisfaction. And she will appreciate a husband who has kept himself pure in mind & body, trusting the Lord for everything. You have a great life in Christ ahead of you - continue to seek Him first in everything you face & all your needs will be met, as a loving Father giving care to His son.

I'm retired now & don't get about as much as I used to. However, this gives me opportunity to read more of God's Word (as you are also doing), ministering to others & getting on this KJB Site to be part of a great bunch of believers seeking to help others get to know the Lord & His Word better. Otherwise, odd jobs around the house, gardening & my love for flying (on a computer Simulator of course), also keeps me mentally & spiritually engaged. I too falter & fail the Lord at times - but the Lord's response is never one of anger & rejection, but of love, forgiveness & restoration. Stay close to Him at all times, my young friend - He's always there for you.

1. Realize and admit you're a sinner, that you're not perfect. ( Romans 3: 10,23)

2. You believe the gospel. The death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ with your whole heart. ( 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4)

3. You confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God and your savior. ( Romans 10: 9,10)

God doesn't lie, God doesn't break his promises. He desperately wants you to be with him in eternity. There's nothing you can do on your own to save yourself, Jesus did all the work for you already on the cross. It's his free gift to you. Have faith!



"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." - 1 John 5: 13

Well I don't occasionally leave our house much accept to work 18 hours a week, that's about it. And one of my interests is art I really enjoy drawing.

Hi, there's a 10 month old child who may be suffering from a genetic disorder, there's a 6 month old baby in ICU and there's another child named Caith who has an abnormal sac of fluid or brain tissue that extends through a detect in her skull. Plus there's God knows how many others suffering from various diseases/ illnesses like Covid, blood cancer and others. There's one person who has anxiety issues, there are those in ICU, there are those who have seizures and another earthquake happened recently this year. Please pray for healing and salvation/ repentance including the salvation/ repentance of those around those suffering (mentioned here and those not mentioned here).

Thank you so much.

Your honesty & strong desire for victory in this weak area of your life, is noticeable & you do receive our prayers & support. As a young man of 16, I perceive that your unnatural view of women, has been introduced & fostered by engaging in media depictions of women or even through viewing pornography. I know many people, young & old, engage in this as it is given so liberally on the Web & elsewhere, to satisfy our sinful cravings.

You say that the "void" in your life is huge & that is so dangerous. I can't change your family's use of their spare time, but I can offer some suggestions. And I agree, that Bible reading & prayer cannot take up all your time, even for the ability to concentrate. But remember, prayer to God for help, is not confined at a particular time of the day, but wherever you might be: on the street, in a cafe, out with friends. Whenever sin comes knocking at the door of your heart, your first call is to the Lord Who loves you & wants to see you living in victory.

An addiction, any addiction, requires determination & discipline to rid the habit. The craving might be there for a while, but the pursuit of it has to stop quickly. Firstly, stay away from those areas that are tempting you to lust. Remember that the Bible often speaks of fleeing lust when it comes ( 2 Timothy 2:22, James 4:7, 1 Corinthians 10:13,14, 1 Timothy 6:9-12, 1 Corinthians 6:18-20). If it's books, the Web, the beach, the movies, etc. that is causing you to falter, then stay away from them. The next important thing is how you view women. Always make it a constant practise to see them in a proper, natural way as equal members of society, worthy of real love & respect. You're in that 'highly charged' age group, but that doesn't mean that women should be considered in any other way than you would expect them to consider you or treat you. Be involved in Church youth socializing with them, be careful who your friends are & where you go with them. What are your interests?

You can get different interpretations of this verse, as also seen in verse 8 of 1 John chapter 5. I've heard it as being associated with Jesus' baptism in 'water' & the culmination of earthly Work by the shedding of His 'Blood' at the Cross. And this may well be correct as I can see its inference.

However, I rather see these verses, & being consistent with John's Gospel chapter 3:5: "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.", as applying to Jesus' physical Birth. Why I also think in this way, is because much of John's epistle is devoted to highlighting the Gnostic teaching entering the Church & for believers to stand on apostolic teaching, to not be swayed by these others, & be confident in their faith. One aspect of this Gnostic (Docetic) teaching was that "the incarnation (i.e. Jesus coming in the flesh, from God) was incredible (unbelievable), as deity cannot unite itself with anything material (such as a body of flesh)."

So the Gnostics rejected the idea that God could make Himself appear in material human form (as many even reject this now) but said that Jesus was only a special Perfect Man & without the Divine in Him. So what 1 John 5:6 is saying, is that Jesus did come from God in human form (water & blood depicting the birth process & the human aspects) & God's Spirit witnesses to this fact. As there are three that bear witness in Heaven (verse 7), so to on Earth, three bear witness & agree together: the Spirit & Christ's full humanity (water & blood).

In 1 John 2:22,23, John had to relate a similar warning to the Christians: that the one who denies the Divinity of Jesus (i.e. that He came from God & in the flesh, & has both the Divine & Human natures) has the anti-Christ spirit within him & has to be avoided. I hope this helps you - others may contribute their understanding on these verses also, as you can also get other opinions from different Bible commentators.