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Abiding in Christ (2 of 2)

God framed the worlds by his word and they are upheld by the word of power, which coming from the Son brings the earth as part of the Father Son relationship. "His Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;/ Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power," This being the case Jesus could claim, "I and my Father are one"( John 10:30). The Jews who heard his statement judged him and took stones to throw at him. In the Book of the Revelation we have the fall of Babylon which includes nations of the world, including Israel. The angel who threw the stone 'like a great millstone judged which came from the rightful Authority.(Re. 18:21).

Symbolic values of a stone and of a Lamb are the same, which is not the case of the natural world.

We shall consider this text: Re.22:3-5

"But the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:/ And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads./ And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

It is significant that Jesus Christ reveals himself in the inaugural vision to John announcing, "and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."(Re.1:18)

At the end of the book we see Jesus Christ in his Omega aspect, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last./Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."(Re.22:13-14). Notice that gates to the city are no more shut? It indicates that we are looking at the day of Regeneration. "And the gates of it shall not be shut by day."

Abiding in Christ is to let his grace work perfectly in our lives. He.13:5

Hi Jema. Just a couple of points to note from your understanding of those passages you quoted. You believe that Simon the Leper ( Matthew 26:6) might be the same person, now named Lazarus (in John 11:1-6). As I understand it, the account of the sickness, death & resurrection of Lazarus (brother of Mary & Martha) took place some time before the account of Simon the Leper. Jesus was on His second journey (after first leaving Jerusalem (in Winter): John 10:22, then onto Jordan: John 10:40) when news came to Him of Lazarus' sickness ( John 11:3). But Jesus continued to stay at Jordan ( John 11:6) & then went to Bethany to deceased Lazarus.

Now the account of Simon the Leper, also in Bethany, occurred very near to the Passover Feast ( Matthew 26:2). And we know this to be so, because after the woman's anointing of Jesus in Simon the Leper's home, Jesus' disciples were annoyed at the waste of this ointment, & Judas Iscariot then left them to put into effect his wicked act. And of course, Jesus then celebrates the Passover with His disciples at the appointed time. So the Lazarus (in John 11) & Simon the Leper (in Matthew 26) can't be the same person and of course it would have saddened Lazarus (& others) tremendously that he who died because of some sickness & was raised by Jesus, yet wasn't healed of his leprosy.

As well, the account of the rich man & (the other) Lazarus ( Luke 16:19-31) is understood to have happened after the Lazarus (of John 11) was raised to life, not before. A synopsis of the Gospels shows that after Jesus began His journey towards Bethany, He also ministered along the way ( Luke 13:22 to Luke 17:1-10). After this, Jesus arrives in Bethany to see the lifeless body of his friend.

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Hi, Sorry I took longer answering,

Before we continue I thank God for giving us this moment, I believe Jesus Christ is the son of the Living God and He died on the cross for my sins and He rose on the third day and He is sitting on the right Hand of Power Amen.

The Bible the True word of God which can not be broken

as it is written in JOHN 10:35

35.If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

-Points out to us that the Brutish man knowns not the things of God, for he is in the soulish so does a fool. Remember the fool, he has said in his heart that there is no God.and we Christians, this are the people who have came at the cross and have repented of their sins before the THE LORD JESUS Christ THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. know very well that the Heavens declare The glory of GOD.

as it is written in plasm 19:1-2

1.The heavens declare the glory of God;

And the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2.Day unto day uttereth speech,

And night unto night sheweth knowledge. 3There is no speech nor language,

Where their voice is not heard.

The Soulish Level.

When one runs on the soulish level, He does things to please himself, for example( ABCD People LGBT) their love is on this level of the soulish they are doing what gives them pleasure.

-Yet they claim this is Love according to them But we Know in The scripture THE Bible, The Lord God who made the heavens This is sin and an abomination Before Him

(plasm 96:4, KJV-GOD who made the heavens)

another example is this

-The dictator who runs a nation in fear and fist, and the power is for his family all the wealth goes to his accounts and the people running his empire and still he loves his family so much but he oppresses his subjects.

Yet we know he has no mercy neither truth with him and within him.

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Hi Tdinanne

I've addressed your commenters, than your particular question, please forgive me

As I consider your comment,

You stated, that you are saved, & yet it appears that you don't know God's Voice.

Friend,,,,Its impossible for one to be saved & not know His Voice.for how could He lead you out of darkness into His marvelous light without learning to know His Voice in the working out of your salvation ?

John 10:3,4

You stated, that you believe that you still need to do what is right to get to heaven, this is very true, God has place this within your heart, never let that go.

You stated, don't we need to obey the ten commandment? This would be a good start & yet the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus exceeds the law of Moses. Matt 5:20-48

You stated, I get so confused listening to different people preach, how do you know which one is right?

Jesus said, John 18:37 Love the TRUTH, & you will learn His Voice, the still small Voice of conscience that accuses you when you do something wrong or excuses you when you do something right Rom 2:15

This Treasure we have in our earthen vessel 2Cor 4:6, The Light of His Spirit, seek Him there

in love & truth

Hi David0921,

Isaiah 9:6 his name shall be called does not make him what the name is many Hebrew names have God in them. Jesus says He came in His Father's name.

John 1:1-4 What is the beginning that John is referencing here? Is this the beginning/creation or is this John's prologue of his gospel, the beginning of Jesus's ministry, as in Luke 1:2 or 1 John 1:1? The word of God was in Jesus for everything Jesus said was not His words but the Father's words who sent Him, John 4:16 John 12:49 John 14:24.

Jesus was the Tabernacle of God; God was manifested in Jesus, and this is the light that shined. The light that shined was eternal life 1 John 1:2. This life was given to the Son from the Father John 5:26 and we can have this gift through Jesus Christ our Lord Romans 6:23. Jesus proclaimed the Father, the Father was the Word which was proclaimed to the world, and the Word was God. In Revelation 19:13, Jesus's name is the Word of God.

John 10:30 John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: As God and Jesus are one through Jesus we also can be one in unity and purpose.

John 14:9 The Father was in Jesus by God's Spirit everything Jesus did and said was from the Father. This is what Jesus is telling them in verse 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

I understand we differ, and this doctrine is deeply rooted, I do not want to offend anyone. I have studied the creation of it, and it was as much or more political than Scriptural, especially considering the number of lives that were taken because of it.

God bless,

RLW

Ronald,

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

How sin affects others

There is a story somewhere although I don't know the details about a horse that steps on a nail; and somehow entire armies and their fate are affected by the results of a seemingly trivial event. Taken into the context of sin; and what seems like an innocuous "white lie" can often us into trouble. Just ask your mother how successful things such as forging their signature on a report card went (one of my "prevarications" during middle school).

Taken on a spiritual level we could also talk about "white magic" or black magic attempting to justify seemingly harmless New Age practices as opposed to violent animal sacrifices as part of our rituals. Therefore; certain objects that by themselves are neither good or bad take on significance (such as crystals) and inevitably the practitioner gets deeper and deeper into the occult as the demons lead them by their master who of course is out to "steal; kill and destroy". ( John 10:10).

Of course the cop out that the "devil made me do it" can only be taken so far. The enemy of our souls can only operate with God's permission (see Job 1 and 2); as well as having LEGAL ACCESS because of sin giving him the ability to enter in and weave his web of destruction.

So far I have focused on how sin works to destroy us as individuals. History shows how whole nations can be brought to ruin because of demonic ideologies; Hitler in Germany being one obvious example. This was considered a civilized nation; highly cultural. When we consider the "enlightenment" of the 19th Century and the subsequent watering down of the churches; we see how the infiltration of facist ideologies was able to contaminate the church who caved into the "state church" concept (read about Barnhoffer). Similar situations occured in North Korea; Pyongyong apparently was known to be a great place of Christian revival 100 years ago and we see what has happened now. We see the end result today 2 generations after the 60's free love

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Colossians 2:4 "And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words."

1 John 2:1 "My little children these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sins we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

Ephesians 2:3 "But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

Exodus 25:13

Hebrews 9:5 "And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercy seat; of which we cannot now speak particularly."

John 10:11 "I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep."

1 Peter 2:25 "For ye were as sheep gone astray; but now are returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls."

Isaiah 42:1 "Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring judgement to the Gentiles."

John 8:28- 29 "Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak those things. And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always these things that please him."

1 Timothy 2:8 "I will therefore that men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting."

Romans 9:5 "Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen."

Psalms 45:7 "Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, Thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."

John 17:1 "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through Thine own name those whom thou has given me, that they may be one, as we are."

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Hi CJF

Greetings in Christ JESUS

What does the Word of GOD say? The Word is GOD, I mean, is a Person, self-executable. Hebrews 1:1-3:

1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days (last two days or last 2.000 years) spoken unto us by His Son-JESUS-, whom GOD hath appointed heir of all things, by WHOM also He made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of GOD's PERSON (the Word made flesh), and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

According to the Word of GOD above we can see two Persons. GOD the Father, the Word, and GOD the Son, the Word made flesh. By the way, the Word made flesh-JESUS-, He said: I and my Father Are One- John 10:30. And John 14:8-10 reveals:

8 Philip saith unto JESUS, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

The Word made flesh-JESUS-, He said: ...no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him- Matthew 11:27.

And John the Baptist,the angel of the Lord,said:No man hath seen GOD at any time,the only begotten Son,which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.

But who is the 3rd Person? What does the Word of GOD say, besides 1John 5:7?

JESUS said: When the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you FROM the Father-the Word-,even the Spirit of Truth, which proceeds from the Father, HE shall testify of me-John:14:26

When he,the Spirit of truth,is come,he will guide you into all truth:for he shall not speak of himself;but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall He speak

Hi CJF,

Godhead is a word that is in 3 verses in the KJV. Acts 17:29 Romans 1:20 and Colossians 2:9. Godhead comes from an Old English word godhede in 1200 AD. In Acts it is the Greek word theios that means divine, manifesting the characteristics of God's nature. In Romans, it is the Greek word theiots that means divinity, divine nature. In Colossians, it is the Greek word theots that mean deity, fulness of deity.

These are three different Greek words that the translators chose to translate Godhead. You ask is the Godhead one God or three persons? Some use this word to refer to the doctrine of the Trinity but in the context of the chapters this word is used, does not refer to that.

Godhead is God the Father himself, it pleased him to have all His divine fullness to dwell in His only begotten Son. The meaning for the word Godhead is the divine nature of God that was manifested in His only begotten Son, John 10:38 John 14:10.

Your question is more about the doctrine of the Trinity I am sure others would reply on that.

I hope this helps,

God bless,

RLW

Yes, His Spirit

the Rule & Guide of a Christian life

Who inspired the holy men of God to write the Bible, which the Bible points to as the Giver of all Life, that we may freely become partake of the Life of Christ, that we may possess a personal intimate relationship with our Father though His Son Jesus Christ, who will cleanse us from all sin that we may become sons of God, by which God by His Spirit makes all these thing possible.

1Cor 15:45 Job 33:4 Rom 8:9 John 10:10

The letter can not do this & was not given to do this. Meaning the Strong Concordance or what wherever else their is out there, it maybe helpful to the little children, but its not necessary, man have put them in the place of His Spirit in discerning the things of God.,..

For the Spirit is given for this very purpose to guide, convict, teach, comfort & counsel us. Jesus states, John 16:7

He bringing us into the very Life of God the Scriptures give witness too, that all the holy men & women of God enjoy by His Spirit

John 3:27 God,

For the Father seeketh such to worship Him, meaning being led by His Spirit & Truth in all things that pertaineth to this life & without His Spirit leading us nothing is acceptable to Him. Jesus said that I only say & do as the Father reveals it to Me, our Forerunner

David,

The Spirit will always point to the Life of Christ as our Example, John 17:17-19 meaning the words God's Spirit led Him to say & do, sanctifies Him & us. 1John 2:6 1John 4:17 & will alway align Himself to the Scriptures which He, Himself inspired, along with mans nobler part, "sound reasoning". His Spirit bearing witness with our spirit.

This is not against Scriptures, by no means, but fulfills them, we can't understand the truth imported by them, without the One who inspired them as Scripture plainly reveals 1Cor 2:9-14.

Job 32:8

You keep making these dogmatic statements, contrary to the Scriptures you point too!

Friend, your intoxicated. Rev 17:2 Rev 18:3,4

in L & T

Nowhere; it likely came from what was a pagan winter celebration on the first day of winter solstice around December 21. It is claimed that the sheep being tended the way described meant that it wasn't early winter when Christ was born; they would be protected inside and not roaming freely in the cold and rainy season. Apparently some early traditions say it was March 25 from what I just read today.

We see an even clearer Pagan dating with what is called "Easter" which came from "Ishtar" apparently; a pagan fertility celebration that occurred in Spring of each year. The proper word for celebrating the death; burial and resurrection would be either Resurrection Day or a fulfillment of the Passover feast. Clearly easter eggs and bunny rabbits have nothing to do with the Resurrection of Christ!

This sort of logic could even be expanded to what we call Halloween today (which of course is a high holy day for Satanists and all those other pagan celebrants) Catholics have "All Saints Day" or "All Hallows' Day" on November 1 which in theory seems to be ok; this is similar to "St. Valentine" being associated with Valentine's Day; or "St Patrick's Day" in the Spring. Today; of course these events are celebrated as an Eros type of love fest in February; and drunken debauchery during parades in the Spring. The real St. Patrick would have rolled over in his grave seeing this-as it certainly appeared he was a true man of God with his quest to reach the Pagans in much of Ireland at the time.

Hanukkah or the "Festival of Lights" is celebrated for 8 days right around the time of Christmas; and interestingly even though Christ went to the Temple at that time ( John 10:22-23) it isn't mentioned in the Old Testament! It comes from the time between the Testaments and is also known as the "Feast of Dedication." That is related to taking over or rededicating the Temple after Antiochus Epiphanes had briefly profaned the Temple in 168 B.C. and the Maccabean conquest.

23Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.

24But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

25And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.

Further insight. As Ephesians 1:6 states we are to be made acceptable in the beloved. As far as us "accepting" Christ; that is not Biblical as James 2:19 warns about God. Christ is more than Savior; He is Lord and Master; whether we acknowledge it or not there are only two alternatives ( Matthew 21:44). His Sheep hear His voice; the goats do not. ( John 10:27).

This "committing" of men it would seem would involve the Godhead living within someone and being sealed with the Spirit. It would involve chastising which Hebrews 12:8 in King James brings out pretty strongly in regard to those not in Christ who are "bastards."

Therefore Jesus had to do constant "weeding" out; and this would involve challenging statements; parables; and other means.

Jesus in Luke 16:15 warned that what was esteemed or honorable among men was an abomination to God. That is different than what Jesus Himself did when He was praised in Luke 2:52 for His growth in wisdom and stature in terms of how He "gained favor" at that time. That shows His humility in the 30 or so years; taking up the majority of His earthly life being submissive to His parents (unlike the Pharisees who found ways through their religious piety to disrespect parents for the sake of their own material gain).

Jesus loved His own so much that He made sure that He was the atoning sacrifice on the cross through His own volition; and death could not hold Him. (see John 10:18). It was a miracle in itself that He survived all the attempts on His life (including Gethsemene) through supernatural assistance so that He could make it to the cross to die at the set time and place. No one in scripture is said to be amazed at these acts

Considering unbelief based on the facts.

Think about the evidence Christ presented that He was indeed the Messiah. Indeed; supernatural blindness HAD to be given; for Jesus even told people to believe Him even for the sake of His works ( John 14:11). And the verse was indicative of His being part of the Godhead. There were HUGE numbers of people being miraculously fed at least twice; people healed of blindness which had NEVER occurred even with the Old Testament miracles ( John 10:21); people who had demons cast out of them; as well as the miracles entrusted to the 12 Apostles and the 70 sent out two by two ( Luke 10:11). There was the undeniable proof of natural phenomenon at the crucifixion ( Matt. 27:54); as well as the 500 witnesses that saw Him; including the Apostles AFTER He was Resurrected and they all died except for John as martyrs; clearly they knew and believed the truth since denial would have saved their lives.

Unbelief therefore is something learned. Children are all born into sin; but scripture makes it clear that they have angels beholding the Father continually and that they were drawn to Christ (see Matt. 18:10). Children came to Christ ( Mark 10:13-16) and praised Him as a fulfillment of Psalm 8:2 and mentioned by the Lord in Matthew 21:16. To deny the obvious requires a hardness of heart and soul; and deliberate rejection of known truths; which of course made the condemnation of the Pharisees greater than most; and was much of the reason Jesus excoriated them in nearly the entirety of Matthew 23. They knew the prophecies but were blinded because of their obsession on the law and all other traditions that were added to put men in bondage and to render mercy and justice meaningless ( Matthew 23:23) with their myopic tunnel vision. The rest of the world if NOT enlightened by the Spirit only looked at Christ as some great miracle worker but didn't worship Him as God in the flesh.

Hence Matthew 16:17 must occur for true salvation.

I would say that there are two functions of scripture; which come from it's record. Strictly speaking; we have the Old Testament (some say the New Testament concealed); and the New (which some say is the Old Testament revealed). It is the account given

through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit ( 2 Tim. 3:16) which is useful for teaching; instruction in righteousness; etc. It contains

eternal truths as to the past; present and future state of man's soul as well as the environment which will exist (eventually a new heaven and earth for those saved; and the lake of fire for those whose names are NOT in the Book of Life. ( Rev. 20:15).

The functions; therefore would be a declaration of a future for those saved; to whom have been called and chosen and who have

heard His voice ( John 10:27); and for others who have not ( John 3:18) who are judged by their works and have rejected Christ

to save them from their unregenerate state.

John 16:8 shows that the function of the Holy Spirit is to reprove the world in relation to sin; righteousness and judgment.

The writings and copies of texts are so accurate that if one LETTER was off on the count of the Pentateuch (first five texts of

the Bible) it would be destroyed and started again. This also demonstrates certain patterns in scripture which I won't venture

into here; but the Bible of course is also useful for history; lessons of sins to avoid; and every other instruction manual on practical wisdom for our lives and has different forms that are poetic; prophetic; acrostic; and intersect personal lives with larger themes seemlessly. Therefore there are many applications which the Bible can be beneficial for (even as a learning tool for a given language before it was kicked out of the schools).

Hope that is a good start.

Agape; RIch P

Promises for believers

For it has been granted to you not only to believe in Christ but also to suffer for him (Phillipians 1:29). Acts 5:41 is in a similar vein; namely being thankful for being worthy to be persecuted in His name; which is promised for all true believers. ( 2 Tim. 3:12; etal). The promise of being chastised if we are a true child of God and other sufferings aren't exactly the first thing we focus on

when it comes to God's promises. But of course if we consider these hard sayings first; we can learn to appreciate the more pleasurable promises in a greater way.

The opposite is true of course; in light of Hebrews 11:25. Sin runs its course of earthly pleasures; which lead up to eternal condemnation. For God's children; however there are pleasures evermore in His right hand ( Psalm 16:11). The fullness of life is also mentioned in that verse which corresponds with John 10:10 in living life to the full. Food and clothing are promised in the Gospels ( Matt. 6:25); (compare with 1 Kings 17:6 where the ravens brought Elijah food). Notice that shelter or a place to rest His head is mentioned as lacking in Matthew 8:20; which made some turn away from following Him. Surely Christ Himself did stay in peoples' homes for short interludes; but He also spent many nights on mountains in prayer; or sleeping on a boat.

Much prayer; of course seems to be edifying when focused on fulfilling the Great Commission. God states in Isaiah 55:11; that His word will not go out void; but accomplish His purposes. If we are doing His work; then we can be sure to reap what we sow; in terms of reward (see Psalm 126:5). Heavenly treasures are a promise for those who are serving out of a pure heart (see 2 Timothy 4:7-8). Therefore; the end ouf our sufferings in Christ will bring eternal glory that outweighs anything on earth. (see Romans 8:18). 2 Corinthians 4:17-18 also discusses "momentary afflictions" that don't compare to heavenly bliss.

Greetings in Christ JESUS, Alex

Good question: Why wd this woman keep the commandments when she has the testimony of Jesus.

First, the testimony of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy. She is clothed with the Sun, the Greater Light , sent in the fourth Day or around 4000 years after Adam, that is JESUS. JESUS said:My Father worketh hitherto, and I work- John 5:17KJV. I and my Father are One- John 10:30. Under her feet the Lesser light, the Holy Spirit, also sent in the fourth Day, gives her sustention / sustenance, furthermore, the woman is already crowned under the doctrine of the twelve Apostles chosen by our Lord JESUS.

Yes, the dragon (the man of sin, son of perdition, the Beast of the earth- Revelation 13:11 combined with 2Thes. 2) was (will be) wroth/wrath with the woman, he will persecute the woman which brought forth the MAN child -the ancient of days - the Lesser Light - and to the woman is given two wings of a great eagle -the OT and the NT -, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished - nourished by the OT and NT, the commandments and testimony of JESUS -, for a time, and times, and half a time (42 months), from the face of the serpent- Revelation 12:14KJV.

And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth(earth here is the clay- Isaiah 64:8, the dry land) helped the woman(will be 144K???), and the earth(Jewish believers) opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon (a strong DELUSION that will be sent by GOD-2Thes.2:11-12 combined with Revelation 13:11-18) cast out of his mouth.

Let us get ready, it is midnight, the bridegroom comes; let us go out to meet Him, all of us need to arise and trimmed our lamps. But wait, only lamp is not enough to walk now, it's necessary / essential to have oil, otherwise, the lamp will go out, but at midnight? in full darkness and nocturnal terrors?

Be careful

Hi Adam.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. This speaks on a person present condition once he heareth Christ word, and believeth on him that sent him,

To be able to hear the word is a condition.

This is the blood tipped ear mentioned in scripture and also what's meant in John 10:27-28.

These verses along with many of what have been shared by others suggest that you are saved now not later.

However, just say if we are wrong, how do we stand in the day of judgement?

God is a righteous Judge and requires perfection. No one can present that!

If we're to be judged, what sins is he going to pardon?

How many times can we get away with sinning before we're condemned?

What role did the cross play in our salvation?

Why didn't he just stick with the old sacrificial systems if the blood of Christ couldn't take away sins?

These are valid questions if we are to be judged with the dead.

James 1:15 illustrates the process of sin leading eventually to death. Thus; Adam began to die in all ways once he sinned; spiritually immediately as Ezekiel 18:20 indicates it affects the soul and the death in the body continues until eventually we return back to the dust we came from. Hence; there was immediate estrangement from God when Adam and Eve hid; and God pronounced the resulting curse in childbirth; tilling the earth is sweat with thistles and thorns; etc.

We must also understand that there are those predestined to be in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world ( Ephesians 1:3-6). The opposite is true for the unregenerate as seen in Revelation 17:8. Christ's death was therefore part of a plan from before Creation where all those would hear His voice who were His sheep ( John 10:27). We must remember that His death was effective from what happened in time and space 2000 years ago. It also is retroactive; as it were in order to allow those who were of old to eventually in time and space have access to heaven (see Romans 6:9). Therefore; at the Rapture ( 1 Thess. 4:15) shall involve the Resurrection of all souls of deceased saints; followed by bodily ascension of those alive and remaining. There are some verses which seem to indicate O.T. saints may arise later on in say the Midpoint of the Tribulation or near the end; there is some debate on that question. Some already apparently were resurrected ( Matt. 27:52-56). This would have been a gleaning of the firstfruits; so to speak.

My point here is predestination and the fact that God initiates repentance ( Acts 11:18); etc. There is such a thing as godly repentance and worldly ( 2 Cor. 7:10); illustrated by that of Peter and Judas Iscariot. Genuine repentance brings life and brings sorrow at offending a Holy God; worldly sorrow only is interested in consequences of our actions; and in Judas' case he only recognized Christ as having "innocent blood"; not as God's Son to be worshipped.

Sorry Jema but the Lord says follow me and he was not passive and often rebuked when necessary.

I don't see anywhere in scripture as you say it.

Jesus and his disciples were very direct and didn't turn to the left or right.

In Revelation he warns us of this spiritual fornication and Lukewarmness.

You mentioned Love.

Jesus displays his love for the sheep in John 10. He gives us an example of one who don't love the sheep in John 10:12-13.

These warnings and protection from the wolf is an act of love for the sheep.

Is it considered aggressive when you put so much focus on me and try to muffle me from speaking whar is true concerning this matter and taking little indirect shots on other matters?

Yes I expose their agenda when I feel someone new to the site may need a little more info to understand the direction this person is headed.

It puzzles me when you continue to step in every time I speak on this, but this group I'm referring to never denies the accusations.

Where were you when I was under attack a few months ago for not wanting to engage in a ongoing eschatology thread?

You supported it.

Sorry but we will have to disagree on this.

God bless.

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Hi Jimbob. You wrote well though if I could just highlight the 'apostasy' (apostasia), as seen in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, & consider what the Apostle Paul was speaking of here. I realize that it would be simple to understand his statement as applying to believers, before that day of Christ's coming, that some would apostatize by rejecting Christ going back into the world or to embrace another religion. But are we correct to believe that this was what Paul was speaking of in light of his other writings & that of our Lord? (refs. John 10:27-29; John 6:37; 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:13,14; Ephesians 4:30; Romans 8:28-30; Jude 1:24,25; 2 Corinthians 5:17; 2 Timothy 2:19).

When we look at the definition of 'apostasy', it is as you have given ("An abandonment of what one has professed, a total desertion, or departure from one's faith, a total abandonment of the Christian faith"). But 'apostasy' is not simply restricted to a 'total departure from one's faith' but also 'a total departure or abandonment of one's principles, party, cause' (and one could even add 'departure from the Word of God which lays out the principles and Truths of doctrine & righteous living').

Unfortunately, the 2 Thessalonians 2:2-5 passage is not explicit to show us how Paul was applying this 'apostasy'. Obviously, the Thessalonian believers probably knew much more than we have been given (v5 'remember...I told you these things?'). Clearly, this apostasy doesn't relate to principles or causes of the world, because its context shows that Paul is speaking of an apostasy that will affect believers in some way. The question then is: is it the rejection of Christ altogether, or a departure/rejection of the Truth of God's Word? But isn't that the same thing, one could ask? I think you will agree Jimbob, that this rejection of Truth & promotion of unbiblical interpretations & lifestyle, has been going on for a long time - from within the Church itself.

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Hi

-Please pray for understand for God will give him who ask freely.

It's written in John 10:35 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35, If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

meaning the bible cannot contradict itself. infact Jesus Has Said this in Proverbs 8:8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; There is nothing froward or perverse in them.

So, my advice to you is to Kneel down and repent of your unbelief and ask The Lord Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God to Help you understand His words The sharp two- Eged sword.

In Matthew 6:22 -23. 22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

-What we fail to see here is this, Satan entered unto peter and he is using peter to try and deceive Jesus Christ not to Go to the Cross and if The Lord Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God would have not gone to the cross then the whole bible would be compromised, and every word of prophecy would collapse just by that one action. remember Just before Jesus was arrested by the temple Gurds/solders What He said unto them. in Matthew 27:53-54

53Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? 54But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

Mark of Cain vs Mark of the Beast

According to Genesis 4:15; a mark set upon Cain was to cause vengeance to anyone who would attempt to take his life. Compare this to the Mark of the Beast in Revelation 13 and we find some interesting parallels.

First; Satan was a "murderer from the beginning." ( John 8:44). It is no surprise that the first child of Adam was to be attacked after Adam and Eve fell. Having failed the test of God he let temptation rule over him and slayed Abel his brother. Satan is also said to steal and destroy ( John 10:10) along with his lying. We see the progeny of Adam and Eve being destroyed; along with stealing from the parents being able to give an inheritance and Abel receiving it.

Later on in Genesis 4:24 Lamech tries to gain vengeance by his declaration of seventy times seventy for himself for his own violent actions. Kind of like the opposite of forgiveness for the same in Matthew 18:21-22.

The apparent resurrection of Antichrist from a deadly wound as well as being able to kill the two prophets that tormented men will inspire him to declare indestructibility as well as being able to effectively fight against God. He will likely convince men that he can live forever by merging with AI; and likely the DNA of the Nephilim or something to that affect will be part of that plan; as it was in Genesis 6 when all the descendants of men were destroyed for that reason (see Genesis 6:8-9 on Noah being perfect in his generations). Hence at that time we saw no repentance except for Noah; his wife; his 3 sons and their wives.

Whatever the case men will be unredeemable once they take the mark ( Revelation 14:9 and other passages). That will be the fulfillment of 2 Thessalonians 2:11 where people willingly reject the truth and believe The Lie.

The verse on those who dwell on the earth ( Revelation 11:10; also see Revelation 6:10 and other passages) indicates the sea of lost humanity. Revelation 13:8 concludes this for all unsaved.

John 2:23-25

Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, MANY BELIEVED IN HIS NAME, ( when they saw the miracles which he did.)

BUT JESUS DID NOT COMMIT HIMSELF UNTO THEM, because he knew all men,

And needed not that any should testify of man: FOR HE KNEW WHAT WAS IN MAN.

( MANY BELIEVED IN HIS NAME,)

( BUT JESUS DID NOT COMMIT HIMSELF UNTO THEM.)

( FOR HE KNEW WHAT WAS IN MAN.)

This group that believed on his name, Could we call these his sheep?

John 6:64-66.

But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

( From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.)

"Were these his sheep"?

I believe we all agree these in Matthew 7:23 are not his sheep.

How about this group?

Are they his sheep?

"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1 John 2:19.

They're all sheep!

Turning back and getting lost is their nature!

It's what sheep do!

But Christ is the great shepherd and he has his own sheep!

What is the role of the shepherd?

What is the capability of the great shepherd?

Answer; John 10:27-28. "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

AND I GIVE UNTO THEM ETERNAL LIFE; AND THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH, NEITHER SHALL ANY MAN PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY HAND.

Do you see the contrast between

Jojn 10:27 and John 2:25,

1 John 2:19. Mathew 7:23 and

John 6:64-66 ?

Answer; John 10:28-29

A messenger of Satan (part 2).

It is vital; at this stage to reiterate that we must repent of unconfessed sin. God has designed it so that if we are not willing to do this there is great torment that can render us powerless in our walk. That is a warning to all those "confessions" of blessings "declared" on ourselves or others; it in reality brings a curse on us. The reason why is because we are in a Covenant with the Lord and therefore it is His end of the deal to not only save His people but sanctify us; "purging out the dross" ( Isaiah 1:25).

Part of the problem is that for some bizarre reason it seems to me that very few Christians shall we say overestimate Satan's threat to our well being. It seems strange since a die hard individual on the other camp doesn't seem to have too much difficulty believing in that reality; and occasionally is driven to faith in the Lord when one of his "bargains" with the enemy goes awry (his true colors are exposed). At face value; someone who seeks to kill; steal and destroy ( John 10:10) would be considered an enemy. Sometimes I think we take the love your enemies verse and twist it around; perhaps not to have sympathy for the devil; but to somehow dumb down how evil he is (probably in part because it makes our own comfortable lives in jeopardy realizing that reality). Since he is the power of the air as it were leading men astray; it should be held in conjunction with the fact that man is apart from Christ unable to do any good or as the Reformers state in "total depravity."

If we would focus on the cause rather than the effects of endless problems we see with our natural eyes in this fallen world

we may be able to live out a better walk with the Lord in our prayer lives.

Fear of death ( Hebrews 2:14-15) is something which I have struggled with; I know better but that is one of the enemies' favorite torments. God will deliver His people; but let us be diligent in prayer for ourselves and others as 1 Peter 5:9 says

Introduction to the concept of eternal assurance; "once saved always saved".

I have seen currently individuals who are knowledgeable in the Word and who seem to love the Lord who argue that we can lose our salvation. I don't feel comfortable fellowshipping where that is the standard doctrine; although the conviction level for holiness seems commendable to me. Nonetheless; the enemy an cause havoc for those who would be in despair and perhaps self destructive over that type of message. Equally as concerning are those who are allowing certain sins; particularly those who support a lifestyle of sin in the church today holding onto what many call a "hyper grace" mentality. First and foremost; of course we are to test ourselves to see if we are in the faith and DO something about it if not. ( 2 Cor. 13:5). Those who are His; of course willl hear His voice ( John 10:16) and be taught by God ( John 6:45).

Blessed assurance is something which must transcend this world; and our love for God supersede any other affections and loyalties for us to be a true disciple of God ( Matt. 10:37-38). If we love Him we will obey His commandments ( John 14:15); this is a verse I have repeated quite often lately on this site.

I would make a basic comment at present that those who are His sense His love; and also recognize that when being chastised ( Hebrews 12:6). When the Spirit is grieved ( Eph 4:30-31) a true follower of Christ will be aware of it; after all He has made His (actually OUR) abode in these individuals ( John 14:23). It is also true that those who are unbelievers cannot love God but they certainly can fear Him. In today's society; however it is likely that such boldness in rebellion in the world is tied into the lack of fear of the Lord in churches. The compromised Gospel and lifestyles today I will tackle in future posts.

The book of John is something I have already covered sometime last year in detail as to the many examples proving Predestination.

The Resurrection Day

John 10:18 shows us that Christ had the power to give up and take life back again. Starting at the statement at His death "it is finished" ( John 19:30) the atonement was complete at the same moment. The comment from the fellow prisoner (the one who repented) at the cross recieved a response just prior to that event where Christ assured him "today you shall be with me in paradise" ( Luke 23:43). This shows that sheol which at the time was the abode of all the dead (see state of Lazarus vs the rich man in the parable of Luke 16:19-31). Jesus came to set the captives free ( Ephesians 4:7-10) also alluded to in several other passages that could also refer to those captive in sin still on earth. He preached to the spirits in prison ( 1 Peter 3:19) which were either the demons or Nephilim and their offspring which were in the abyss before their time; or all the lost. Those who were His own were set free; their souls went to heaven and many appeared after His Resurrection ( Matt. 27:52-53). Thus; after this time only wicked in the torment part of hell still exist down there.

Christ; of course was the "first of the firstfruits" ( 1 Cor. 15:20). There will be the following afterwards; those who came out of their graves at that time as I stated above; then those at His appearing (i.e. Rapture); then those at His coming (2nd Coming). The firstfruits continue until the 144,000 which is a sort of gleaning of Israel ahead of the main harvest the countless multitude coming out of the Great Tribulation. ( Rev. 7:9).

What is most sobering is that Christ still bears marks on His body ( Luke 24:39); apparently the only one who is resurrected with such scars reminding us of his earthly suffering and existance. Hence; God did not allow His holy one to remain in sheol or see decay ( Psalm 16:10). He was the perfect; unblemished Lamb of God who we shall forever worship and adore.

Agape; Happy Resurrection Sunday.

Rich P

DEUTERONOMY 6:4.

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

There's only one God.

John 10:30.

John 14:7-9.

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, HAVE I BEEN SO LONG TIME WITH YOU, AND YET HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME, PHILIP? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

1 Corinthians 15:28.

And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

This is after the Millennium reign, Then he will establish the eternal reign.

Then he will return to his place where he was in the beginning,

( back to the God head)

"That God may be all in all"

Who raised Christ from the dead?

John 10:17-18.

Romans 8:11.

Act 13:30.

Answer; The triune God. "Elohm".

If Jesus is the body of the Father but yet a separate God as one claims. That contradicts what is written in scripture.

Ephesians 4:4-6.

"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

We're servants and worshipers of that one God. Now and for ever.

God will share his glory with no man.

Isaiah 42:8.

Hi Donna. I care little about your real name; it's the message one conveys that is important to me & particularly so to those who have little or limited knowledge of the Word.

In respect to Psalm 82, this has been much quoted over the past months, even years, & I have during that time shared my understanding, so I'll mention it briefly here. But I would first ask, what is Psalm 82 speaking about - I mean the whole Psalm & not just lifting out a verse & making it mean something?

From verse 1 to verse 8, the message is the indictment of unjust wicked judges (earthly judges). And when we come to an interesting phrase in verse 6, "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High", one should immediately look to the original language of this verse & the context of the Psalm, only because if we don't do so, then any interpretation one gives might be correct.

But the word used here for "gods" is 'elohim'; and this word is a generic word, which is used of the True God, of gods, of rulers, of judges. Given the message in Psalm 82, 'elohim' certainly can't apply to the True God (which I believe you won't subscribe to either), neither to other gods or an imitation of the true, but to the judges spoken of in the Psalm. And Jesus used this verse in John 10:34, which they would have understood in entirety: that God spoke of judges, and as judges & men, they were "children of the most High". If then Jesus said, "I am the Son of God", why should these accusatory Jewish leaders accuse Jesus for claiming to also be a Son of God? And then Jesus spoke on His relationship to God by the works that He did. But those judges of Psalm 82 were wicked "and would die like men", and these too, to whom Jesus spoke, were of that ilk: judging Jesus wrongly & would stand before their Judge, the Judge of the whole Earth ( Psalm 82:8).

So, I hope you can see Donna, that we cannot use this Psalm to teach that we all become gods nor change any other Scripture to suit us.

@Mishael

Advocate 1 John 2:1

Shephard & Bishop of souls I Peter 2:25

Man of sorrows Isa 53.3

Judge Acts 10:42

Faithful and True Witness Rev 3:14

Head of the Church Eph 5:23

Rock 1 Corth 10:4

High Priest Heb 6:20

Master Matt 8:19

Living Water John 4:10

Rose of Sharon Song of Solomon 2:1

Alpha and Omega Rev 22:13

Lamb of God John 1:29 Messiah Daniel 9:25

Mediator I Tim 2:5

Teacher John 3:2

Author and Finisher of our Faith Heb 12:2

Image of the invisible God Col 1:15

Everlasting Father Isa 9:6

The Word John 1:1

Holy One Mark 1:24

Light of the world John 8:12

Lion of the tribe of Judah Rev 5: 5

LORD OF LORDS I Tim 6:15

The Beloved Eph 1:6

Carpenter Mark 6:3 The Almighty Rev 21:

Shiloh Gen 49:10

The Way, the Truth and The Life John 14:16

Bright and Morning Star Rev 22:16

Good Shepherd John 10:11

Son of Man Matt 20:28

Only Begotten Son John 3:16

King Of Kings 1 Tim 6:15

Prince of Peace Isa 9:6

Bridegroom Matt 9:15

Dayspring Luke 1:78

Saviour of the world Eph 5:23

Immanuel Luke 1:78 & Matt 1:23

Wonderful Counselor Isa 9:6

I AM John 8:58

The Door John 10:9

The True Vine John 15:1

King of the Jews Mark 15:26

Prophet Matt 21:11

Redeemer Job 19:25

Saviour Isa 45:15 , John 42:2, 1 Tim 4:10

The Amen Rev 3:14

The Living God

Anchor Heb 6:19

The BRANCH Zech 6:12

Bread of Life John 6:15

The Resurrection & Life John 11.25

The Living God, who is the Saviour of all men,