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  • Earl Bowman - 4 years ago
    WHO Is SATAN

    Genesis 3:1 Now the SERPENT (Satan) was more subtil than any BEAST of the Field which the Lord God Had made...

    God made ALL THE BEAST of the field out of DUST, The BEAST are all made FLESH.

    1 Corinthians 15:39 Not all flesh is the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of man, another of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

    Which of these creations of FLESH is the MOST SUBTIL, Of course it's MAN.

    Job 26:13 By his Spirit he hath garnished the heavens; His (Spirits) hand hath formed he crooked (liar and murderer, from the beginning) serpent (subtil beast).

    1 John 2:16 ..The lust of the FLESH, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life..

    Which of these creations of FLESH have the capabilities to have the pride of life, lust of the FLESH, and the lust of the eyes, of course it's MAN.

    James 2:19 thou (terrestrial FLESH) believest there is one one God, thou doest well, the devils (Satan, terrestrial FLESH) also BELIEVE, and tremble.

    Revelation 13 :8 Here is wisdom let him that hath UNDERSTANDING count the number of the BEAST (FLESH): for his number is the number of a MAN..

    Who is the ONLY beast of the field that is subtil, can lust, can BELIEVE and can buy and sell. Why of course, it's MAN, THE PRINCE(S) OF THIS WORLD.

    You BELIEVE, long before you are BORN AGAIN. Terrestrial FLESH, the carnal mind, has to BE DESTROYED (it's the process of light replacing darkness).

    1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one (terrestrial flesh) to Satan (terrestrial flesh) for the DESTRUCTION of the Flesh, that the Spirit might be SAVED in the day of the Lord.

    Isaiah 9:20 ..they shall every man EAT THE FLESH OF HIS OWN RIGHT ARM.

    Zechariah 14:12 ..their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet..

    Revelation 19:18 That you may eat the flesh of kings, and he flesh of captains, and the flesh of might men..

    Romans 13:11 ..now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

    WORK OUT YOU OWN SALVATION

    PHYSICIAN HEAL THYSELF
  • How Demons Get Around - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 4 years ago
    All of Gods dietary rules were for our protection. The didn't have refrigeration.

    Certainly in that scene, The Lord is showing us up close and personal, that demons can get inside of humans, pigs, to do their demonic work against the HUMANS. They were inside the man and they were able to move into the pigs. Jesus was showing us that reality. They are outlaw spirits. They do not have permission to get inside anyone.

    People yield themselves. They give anger free rule, next it invites a murder spirit to enter too. You watch porn, and later you are doing things you Know are sinful. Take a stand against it.

    Satan or Demons, principalities, powers ARE NOT HUMAN. Ephesians 6. We have armor for that: the Word of God in our mouth.

    But we must stand on the Authority of Jesus Christ and take Dominion over the demons. We have to be exercised in the kind of "fruit" they leave laying around: fear, sickness, depression, unreasonable anger, haughtiness, etc. The part of the crowd that screamed for Jesus to be crucified was demonic. Satan didn't want his head to be stomped. Genesis 3:15

    When I want to obey the posted speed limit, people act crazy. I help them go around as I pray for them. Sometimes they have fish magnets on their bumpers. :/

    Mishael
  • Pam Kirby - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    Thank you
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply - 4 years ago
    Hey James,

    In Genesis 8:20-21 Noah offered burnt offerings on the altar of every clean beast and every clean fowl to God. The Burnt Offering, Olah in Hebrew, is the oldest sacrifice, we see it later the daily sacrifice, the Tamid. The burnt offering was the only offering that was entirely burned, all is given to God. Were there only two of each animal went in the ark? Genesis 7:1-3

    In Genesis 3:21 when God clothed Adam and Eve with coats of skin is a shadow of the sacrifice of Jesus and when we accept this gift we are clothed with the garment of salvation, the robe of righteousness, white and spotless. Isaiah 61:10 As God did for Adam and Eve this garment covers our sins that we may not walk naked and our shame shall be seen, Revelation 3:4 Revelation 16:15.

    God made a covenant with Noah and all living creatures that He would not destroy the world with water ever again and symbolized it with a rainbow. God gave a commandment to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth, we see later they did not obey (the tower of Babel). All animals and creatures would fear man.

    This is the first time in scripture where God gives the penalty for murder. The penalty for taking a life is the death of the murderer. When the life of a person is taken. God will require the punishment of death, whether the one who kills a person is a man or an animal. You will find this in Genesis 9.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 4 years ago
    Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:6-7, Genesis 3:22-24,

    Please note inbtween those scriptures GOD acts with compassion & mercy Genesis 3:21, & sacrifice of another creature to cover them.

    Romans 16:19

    Hopefully these are helpful.

    Leviticus 23:19, Hebrews 10:1-10, Ephesians 1:7
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    A very apt reply, Chris. Thank you. In reading your many post, I can tell that you are well taught in Christian doctrine and have a deep love for God, the Scripture, and correct thinking in our Christian walk. It is good to have brethren like you to share ideas with. Thank you.
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    Another great write-up, GiGi. This 'serpent seed' teaching has been around for awhile, being propagated by the likes of Branham, Murray, Sun Myung Moon, etc. It wasn't taken from the Scriptures, as Genesis 4:1 clearly records the Truth, but evil men, appealing to extra-biblical sources (e.g. writings of Valentinus - 2nd Century AD & the Gospel of Philip - 4th Century AD), then re-translated the Genesis account to support their belief. And of course, British Israelism, Christian Identity Theology, KKK, & other white supremicist organizations, use it as a foundational platform to support their position of separation & hatred. So, it's good to read your comments, as others also, who clearly stay with the Word of God & not lean to fanciful theories & teachings.
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    Thank you GiGi for that tremendous declaration & worthy thoughts. I liken the lives of Adam & Eve (pre-fall) to that of Jesus, the Son of God, the Son of Man, & called the Last Adam. Even though "the first Adam was made a living soul & the last Adam was made a quickening spirit", I sense that Adam & Eve's walk before their Creator, their spiritual perfection, & their continual communion with God, can be seen clearly in the humanity of the Word of God made flesh.

    Indeed, we don't know the answers to those questions you posed, but I don't believe they ever forgot their Creator & the miracle of life given to them to live on a beautiful Earth. They would have walked on Earth as if they would have walked if in Heaven - the Voice of God that the heavenly beings heard would have also brought the same authority & comfort to their ears on Earth. But how then could they fall for such a deception? If Satan could fall whilst in the heavenlies because of pride, it remains little wonder that man could similarly be enticed to covet all the Wisdom of God.
  • GiGi on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    Next, I want to comment about what God said to the serpent. I am so glad that God made it clear to Adam and Eve that this flashy, fancy-dancy serpent is not a friend of God or mankind. He let them know that the devil is our enemy and should never be trusted. God let Adam and Eve know that the devil answers to God, not the other way around and that God is more powerful and has more authority than the devil. Those are excellent things to know! God could have spoken to Adam and Eve without the serpent being present and visa-versa. But God wanted both parties to hear what he had to say and what judgements He pronounced for each party. There was so much for Adam and Eve to learn about both God and the devil. It was truly good for them to learn this right away after their first sin of disobedience.

    I have always been touched by the story of Joseph and how after it was coming to fruition, Joseph said that what was intended to him for evil, God turned into good to him (paraphrase). Isn't that what happened here in Eden, too? I think this is part of the reason God put so much information in the Bible about certain people and the right and wrong they did in order for those people and us can learn about how He works all things for good to those who love Him and are called by His purpose. ( Romans 8:28) He loves us and nothing can separate us from His love!

    Lastly, I have often thought how amazing the cherubim and sword must have looked that guarded the entrance to Eden. Adam and Eve must have been amazed by its beauty and also a bit terrified at the same time. Can we even imagine the outstanding, extraordinariness of heavenly creatures! They rightly put Satan and all fallen angels to shame! No wonder the prophets had such strong physical reactions to the visions God brought to them. Our flesh can barely stand the holy. Not even Moses was allowed to see God's face on Sinai, but He did experience God's glory. Wow! Life changing!
  • GiGi on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    So much to consider in this chapter!

    I have often wondered how many days had Adam and Eve walked in the Garden with the Lord? was it just a few times or long enough for Adam and Eve to develop a relationship with God that was precious to them. Did they look forward to this meeting each day and talk to each other about the last morning or evening's meeting with the Lord? Did their hearts burn within them as was the case with the disciples on the road to Emmaus after Jesus was resurrected? How blissful this must have been! What did God speak to them when they met with Him in the garden in the cool of the day? How much did they know about God's perfections through these meetings?

    Lot's of questions that the text does not give us answers to, so we have to accept that we do not know.

    Even so, those who think God is a far off God, these meetings show that He desired close fellowship with us from the very beginning. Through Jesus we have a way to have fellowship with our great God anytime we wish. What a privilege we do not deserve!

    God could have cursed Adam and Eve so much more than what He did. They experienced His mercy instead of wrath. Being expelled from the garden and not able to return must have been heartbreaking. Yet, they would discover that the world God made is still extraordinarily beautiful, but not as pristine as the garden. What grace!

    Adam was made to labor in the major task God had designed for him. Work the land to provide sustenance. Eve was made to labor in the major task God had designed for her, to give birth to living humans to nurture. Perhaps in God's mercy and wisdom, He gave such curses to teach mankind to value what they labor to produce for the good of their family. I am not talking about loving material things, but enjoying the fruits of your own labors, whether humble or grand, being thankful to God for not having the laboring be detrimental, but helpful and healthy as well as being grateful to what these labors produce.
  • GiGi on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    As I continue to read in chapter 3, I ponder the nakedness of Adam and Eve. Was it the exposure of their private parts that made them ashamed or was it the loss of shining light of holiness that made them notice that they now looked different? Was knowing that they had lost the shining light of holiness cause them to realize that they had broken fellowship with God and were ashamed for God to see them diminished (as they may have viewed it since they did not know before this what sin was)? Some say their bodies were translucent and glowed with holy light. Maybe. I think there definitely was a change in their appearance to each other. They knew something had changed and not for the good. There is nothing wrong with being naked, but there is something wrong with losing one's holiness. They would have noticed this.

    So glad that God sought them out as they hid from Him. he knew exactly where they were and what had happened. He gave them an opportunity to come "clean" with Him. They had tried to cover their sin by fig leaves. He had to ask them "Who told you you were naked?"

    They immediately began the blame game, not taking responsibility for their individual choices.

    I don't think they understood the depth of what they lost in their disobedience, they did know that their disobedience changed them in a negative way. They didn't even know what death was yet. They would eventually see what it is when Cain kills Abel and Abel is not with them anymore, no longer alive. Perhaps going through all of this and receiving mercy from God may have made Adam and Eve more adamant about believing in God and preaching about Him for 900+ years. Cain and Abel learned something about sacrificing to God from them.

    Adam and Eve alone knew what it meant to lose holy perfection. No one else in all of mankind ever experiences this. Thus the lesson for them and all of us to seek God and His righteousness. Here at the very beginning, God allows this so that no man can boast but in Christ Jesus!
  • GiGi on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    On to chapter 3! Can't even count how many times I have read Genesis in my lifetime!

    Reading the comments, I must pose my position on whether Cain was Adam's son or the serpent's. Adam's Son.

    I don't think that anything sexual happened between Eve and the serpent. I strongly really doubt that God would allow the first sexual experience of Eve would be with anyone but her husband, Adam, nor any after that. God allowed Satan to tempt Eve and present a distortion of what God had said about eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good an evil. The text does not say that God allowed Satan to touch Eve or Adam physically.

    I tend to think of Satan's appearance in the garden as being a very beautiful dragon (often referred to as a serpent elsewhere in Scripture). Eve would not have been suspect of him by looking at him. I don't think that the tree was Satan because it was the knowledge of both good an evil. At this time, Satan had nothing good in him, although he knew what God says is good and what is evil. The text does not say anywhere that the tree was evil. The evil was in the serpent and disobeying God's good command and eating the fruit and believing the tempter over God. The tree was morally neutral but necessary in God's eternal plan. It's presence and God's command allows for the fall of man. This then creates the need for redemption by God in Christ for mankind, through whom the devil and all of his evil works will be crushed and destroyed at the fulfillment of time in both the first and second advent of Jesus, our Messiah.

    With Adam and Eve's sin, the sinful nature entered the gene pool of humanity. Cain and Abel were both sinners. We don't know what happened in Cain's heart and what sinful choices made him stray farther from God than Abel. But we can deduce that Abel was more humble and repentant than Cain. Perhaps Satan tempted Cain more seeing that Cain was more readily manipulated by his schemes. God permitted this for a greater purpose.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    Hi Brother Earl.

    Can we grieve the Holyspirit? If so what causes this, Isn't it Mans free will by obeying the opposition?

    Just a thought.

    God bless.
  • Adam - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    Hi Earl,

    I don't understand your definition of the word then. To help me understand, did you choose to type a response to me or did something force you to do that beyond your will? It sounds like you don't believe you have some kind of freedom to do what you want, but I can't relate to that, because I have complete freedom and that can be used for good or evil. I'm typing a response to you willingly because I choose to. Maybe you're not? If you feel like you're being controlled by another force against your will then there's probably nothing left to discuss on the topic, as I just can't relate and is hard to believe it.

    Joshua 24:15

    God bless...
  • How Satan Tries to Twist Geneology; one of his weapons - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    TWO Enochs in the Bible

    Enoch (Hebrew: meaning "initiated") is a name in the Hebrew Bible used by two separate figures who lived during the generation of Adam.

    The first Enoch was the SON OF CAIN.

    He is the father of Irad. After Cain arrived in the Land of Nod, to which he was evicted by the Lord as his punishment for murdering his brother Abel. His wife became pregnant and bore Cain's first child, whom he named Enoch.

    The SECOND Enoch was a descendant of SETH, the third son of Adam, and great-grandfather of NOAH ( Genesis 5:22-29). SETH is the bloodline of Jesus Christ ancestors and Must Not be Confused with Cains ancestor.

    First Book of Enoch was at first accepted in the Christian Church but later excluded from the biblical canon. Its survival is due to the fascination of marginal and heretical Christian groups, such as the Manichaeans, with its syncretic blending of Iranian, Greek, Chaldean, and Egyptian elements.

    Justin, Athenagoras, Irenaeus, Clemens Alexandrinus, Lactantius, and others borrowed an opinion out of this Book of Enoch, that the angels had connection with the daughters of men, of whom they had offspring (Nephilim: 'the giants of the past'). Tertullian, in several places, speaks of this book with esteem; and would persuade us, that it was preserved by Noah during the deluge. The Book of Enoch, however, was rejected by Origen, Jerome and Augustin as spurious.

    [newworldencyclopedia DOT ORG]

    Mishael comment: there is Much confusion as to the First Enoch, son of CAIN (who was cursed by God), in Genesis.

    Satan seeks to confuse people by causing those who are following to use THE BLOODLINE NAMES of Jesus's Geneology twice.

    It helps to find charts made by reputable ministers on Google and compare carefully to the KJV record. Often charts will be disputed by those who dispute the person and Holy Lord Jesus. It all originated in Genesis.

    Stay on task and don't incorporate heresy.
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:17 - 4 years ago
    Thank you brother for those comments. I will leave off the matter of appearance of the evil spirit impersonating Samuel & the witch's response, or else that not being the case, it depends how one reads & comprehends that passage. Your view does have merit & worthy of further examination in light of other Scriptures.

    However, you wrote: "the enemy knows what was already spoken by the true God". That is true & even as we earlier referred to Genesis 3:1-4. But the point I raised was, can devils know what has NOT been earlier spoken by God? In other words, is the spirit of prophecy with both the Holy Spirit & evil spirits? As far as I know, the fact of Saul's & his son's death happening on the following day - the fact of the army of Israel losing the battle to the Philistines are all unknown facts (though possible in Saul's mind), that are apparently well known to this 'evil spirit' impersonating Samuel. That is what I cannot fathom - it's not just a case of truth mixed with lies - here we have a prophetical utterance of what is yet to happen, that was undeclared earlier by God to any prophet.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    Brother Adam, maybe our definition of FREE WILL differ. FREE would dictate that; that WILL, would have no CAUSE making it occur other than yourself.

    Man makes CHOICES thousands or time a day; but those CHOICES have a CAUSE:

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God that worketh in you TO WILL and TO DO ....

    They is never an effect without there first being a CAUSE.

    God is sovereign and the CAUSE of everything.

    Romans 2:4 Man repents be CAUSE of the goodness of God

    Philippians 1:29 You BELIEVE be CAUSE Christ CAUSES you to believe.

    Galatians 1:20 You have faith be CAUSE Christ GIVES you HIS faith.

    John 6:44 No one comes to Christ with a CAUSE, the Father draws that person to Christ.

    God CAUSES and DOES everything, man is the benefactor of CAUSES of GOD.

    Colossians 1:17 ...and by him all thing consist.... even you CHOICES.

    John 15:5 ...you can of yourself DO NOTHING...
  • Adam - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    Hi Earl,

    It sounds like your argument is based on an assumption.

    "If man has FREEWILL, why does man ALWAYS chose EVIL, why wouldn't at least a FEW men choose to never sin. If they have FREEWILL."

    To challenge this assumption, I may ask why you assume a 'few' wouldn't sin and where would this expectation come from? I don't have this expectation that flawed humans can be perfect, so I wonder why you assume freewill would make such a feat possible?

    Is it possible that you're conflating freedom of choice with supernatural powers? Perhaps thinking freewill is more than just a choice, but like a free wish from God?

    I may 'choose' to be the tallest man in the world, but that doesn't mean I will be. Our choices only occur within our own reality. I can wish to be in Hawaii right now, but that's different than me choosing and making subsequent plans to actually go there. Our freewill doesn't mean we can transcend reality and have magical powers, so I don't think freewill helps someone be perfect. It's closer to the opposite. If we were robots we'd have no choice and would likely operate morally perfect as designed. God hates sin and doesn't make anyone sin, but if you don't have any freewill you would have to explain that contradiction. But since we do have freewill, it's not a contradiction. With freewill we're tempted every day nearly 24/7 and face constant moral choices throughout our lives and it seems unrealistic to assume that an imperfect human can somehow choose to be perfect.

    Did I understand your question correctly and does anything I wrote resonate?
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    Brother Adam, If man has FREEWILL, why does man ALWAYS chose EVIL, why wouldn't at least a FEW men choose to never sin. If they have FREEWILL.

    But, that would make this scripture a LIE:

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO ....

    Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin (No), can a leopard change his spots? (No) then may you also do good, (No) that are accustomed TO DO evil.

    Romans 8:20 For the creature itself was made SUBJECT TO VANITY, not willingly ....
  • Adam - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    Evil is disobeying and rebelling against God. God loved everyone enough to give everyone freewill to choose right from wrong. Think of how people would complain if they were robots without choices. Well, they aren't and not they complain when they choose evil. But most people usually only complain about the evil done to them, not the evil they do to others. They still want the freedom to commit evil which negatively impacts others. Interesting how this works.

    Angels in heaven had freewill, which is why satan was banished. Adam and Eve had everything perfect but also chose evil. Evil exists because people keep choosing it willingly, and God loved them enough to allow them that choice.
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    To my knowledge the book of Enoch was never included in the KJV since it was only found in the 50s with the death sea scrolls. There are ample mentions of him and his writing throughout the bible though, especially the new testament.

    Genesis 5:18-24. And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. This and his for the times below average lifespan of three hundred sixty and five years, everyone living about 700-1000 years in those days, mean to me that his life wasn't ended because of death, but because, as it says, God took him after Enoch walking with him, which is perfectly described in the book of Enoch.

    Hebrews 11:4-5. 5 makes mention of Enoch, whom by faith was "translated". I interpret this word as him being taken by God, since he was not found due to God having translated him. For before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God, so it says, and this testimony is likely to be his writing. 4 makes mention of Abel speaking even after death, which to my knowledge isn't really explained anywhere else in the bible but is perfectly made sense of in Enoch, where he looks into the depths of the Sheol only to find Abel claiming vengeance for the murdering of him (if someone knows of any passage of the bible which also mentions this I'd be very happy to know).

    Lastly, Jude 1:14-15. Must I say any more?

    I don't know much about other Apocrypha. I know, superficially, for example, that the deuterocanonical books were instilled by the catholic church and are quite contradictory with the rest of the bible, for the reasons this very same website mentions in its page about the apocrypha. I haven't read them though, so I couldn't know. I recommend the book of Enoch because sufficient mention is made of him to prove its veracity, and that it satisfies the curiosity of us creationists while also explaining, as I said, the nature of malevolence, the giants, of whom David fought one, the Lords cosmology and creation, etc.
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:17 - 4 years ago
    Thank you Rick. As I mentioned earlier, I am totally unfamiliar with such manifestations except what we read in the Word. In the case of the witch of Endor, the first clue I gained was the utter surprise of the witch when a spirit (of Samuel) appeared instead of what was the usual appearances of evil spirit manifestations ( 1 Samuel 28:12). Would a necromancer be shocked at an appearance of one that was not what she was familiar with? Maybe these spirits appear in a special way or form that wouldn't surprise or affright her, but it seems that this was not the case with Samuel.

    And secondly, if it was an evil spirit, how did it know (or, prophesy) of an occurrence that was not known earlier ( 1 Samuel 28:19, "to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines")? I understand what you wrote, that even the devils can know this, when you wrote about the adversary the father of lies, "Remember in Genesis thou shalt not die", referring to Genesis 3:4. Yet, Satan there could only say that because God had already told Adam that. Could Satan prophesy of coming events, whether of Israel, the nations or the future of the world?

    I do thank you for your explanation brother & it was certainly worth considering, but there are still a couple of these hurdles I need to get over to be fully persuaded - if you or someone can provide some Scripture to show that even Satan & his devils can foretell future events without those events already declared by God prophetically, I would be grateful.
  • Lina - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    We were taught NOT to read the Apocrypha. I knew about the missing books. I was never taught as to why the books were taken out the KJV. Now that I am an adult I took the time to find answers as to why. Also, to find the names of the books. I was told seven. I found fourteen along with the Dead Sea Scrolls info. The same one's the took out the books also were going to add five books that are in the KJV. They changed their minds I guess. In my studies I found a lot of ugly things that took place concerning The Bible. In the books of The Apocrypha I found answers to the books that were Canonized. Who gave them the authority to take anything out of BIBLE. At the end of Revelation it clearly states NOT TO ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM THIS BOOK....
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    Perhaps you would find some of the answers you seek in the books of Enoch, such as the nature of evil, or the humanoid beings which have animalesque features to them that were portrayed in ancient religions and whose discovery nowadays is hidden from the public. I recommend you read it.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on John 1 - 4 years ago
    Hi Brother Ronald.

    You are right, there is so much that is not given in scripture so most is conjectural.

    I also believe Adam lived in a different environment for lack of better terms, "Before sin entered the world."

    A big question that troubles me is the word naked. It seems it carries more of a spiritual meaning than nudity often in scripture.

    I believe often it's the opposite of being clothed with righteousness in a way mentioned here in Isaiah 61:10-11.

    The question is was Adam and Eve naked spiritually before eating of the tree of "knowledge of good and evil and perhaps they were clothed in a way mentioned in Ezekiel 16:7-15. We know good and evil existed long before Adam. "But they had no knowledge of it until they ate if the fruit. Look at Genesis 3:17. in that context, ( AND THE EYES OF THEM BOTH WERE OPENED,)....( and they knew that they were naked;...) and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

    I believe as you do Adam and Jesus Christ is all part of Gods plan that was before this world and I feel it involves Satan because this plan, that was before this world, included the lake of fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels.

    I believe in the Gap theory, Not as some do and try to fit the Dinosaurs into that gap or any other life existence that we know of, I believe they were all created in the Genesis account. I believe Lucifer may possibly have had a dominion here on earth in that Gap.

    Here's why. Ezekiel 28:13. ( Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; ) every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

    The account in Genesis Lucifer has already fallen, He's not adorned as mentioned in Ezekiel 28. " I believe this fallen mentioned here is positionally. and. "Down to Earth."

    until next time.

    GBU.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply on John 1 - 4 years ago
    Part two

    I know the first Adam could not bring eternal life but I feel the first Adam was the start of the plan of salvation, and the undoing of Satan. and the penalty of it was death, that was eternal death, and the first sacrifice for sin that God covered Adam and Eve with skins of innocent animals, as you said a picture of what His Son would do for us. The first Adam initiated the purpose for the last Adam Jesus Christ and the defeat of Satan.

    I was relating to the conscience before, the word naked in Genesis 2:25 is a word arom that means just what is says unclothed. They were innocent or we could say ignorant to nudity until they ate of the tree and they knew they were nude, their eyes were opened, their conscience filled with shame and fear of judgment, that is why they tried to hide. The word in Genesis 3:7 -rum-mim is a different word meaning nakedness with shame. I feel when God said, "where art thou" is like a father calling out to a child he knew where he was but to see if he would show himself.

    Adam was afraid for his disobedience, it is like a thief that heard a siren, he runs to hide to avoid the punishment. Lord God YHVH Elohim instead of God Elohim the name used from Genesis 1, until after day seven Genesis 2:4? Elohim supreme one or mighty one the creator, in chapter 1 God only created without any reaction with what He had created. YHVH Elohim Master, communicator, He started communicating with Adam as a Father would a son.

    Not all was written, like with Cain and Abel, Abel brought of the sheep he kept and Cain brought of the plants of the field. Abel brought of the firstlings, but it does not say Cain brought of the first fruits. It is not written so; do we assume because Cain did not bring a blood sacrifice is why his was rejected? According to Genesis 1 they were to eat plants?

    I have enjoyed this, and will continue studying, may we always walk in the Spirit of truth.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • S Spencer - In Reply on John 1 - 4 years ago
    Brother Ronald.

    Part 2. Genesis 2:25.

    Lets look at Genesis 2:17. But of the tree of the (knowledge of good and evil,) thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    Let's take Genesis 3:7-11. ( And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked;) and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

    Verse 9: And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, ( Where art thou?)

    Here in verse 9. I don't think God is speaking of their location, I think He is speaking of their condition.

    "No one can hide from God."

    And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and ( I was afraid, because I was naked;) and I hid myself.

    " It's Interesting Adam is afraid because he was naked, rather than his disobedience."

    Verse 11. And he said, ( Who told thee that thou wast naked? ) Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

    Genesis 3:22. And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

    It seems the text goes a little further than just their disobedience, There's a lot of emphasis on being Naked and knowing it. Sinful flesh exposed Maybe? The consequence of knowing is where the threat lies! Why? Perhaps so they want attempt to cover themselves when Christ was ordained to come into the world before the world began. The blood of Christ was to be their covering. That's why I hold the view God provided them covering from a blood shed sacrifice pointing to Christ.

    Gen. 3:21. Unto Adam also and to his wife did the "LORD God" make coats of skins, and clothed them.

    Have you noticed verse 21 "LORD" God is used? The covenant name, This where the sacrifices started and the sacrifices pointing to Christ. It was taught to Cain and Abel. Only after the resurrection GOD spirit would Dwell "IN" man.

    Hebrews 10:14-20.

    God bless.
  • Michael Rodgers - 4 years ago
    We are not given a description of the tree and it is most certainly not any tree that exists today. It is traditionally depicted as an apple tree.

    It was a Fig tree. It was the closest to Adam and Eve. Genesis 3:7. And the eyes of them both were opened, thy sewed fig leaves together, and made them selves.
  • Chris - In Reply on Job 1 - 4 years ago
    Hello Prasanth. The question you ask is a valid one & because the Scriptures are not entirely clear on all the events pertaining to Satan's origin & despatch, we can only formulate an opinion based on what the Scriptures do reveal. Therefore, we can get many opinions on this, even yours could be valid. So, as you've asked the question, let me give you my understanding using a timeline.

    a. When God created all things in Heaven (He Himself being un-created), all heavenly beings, etc. were created in eternity past. This was before the creation of the worlds, of man & of other things for the Earth. In Heaven, God created beings such as cherubs, seraphs, beasts, etc., which all had a particular function before God & which constantly worshipped Him ( Ezekiel 10:1-22; Isaiah 6:1-8).

    b. One cherub, which was "perfect in thy ways from the day thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee" ( Ezekiel 28:15), is reference to the one the Bible calls, Lucifer ( Isaiah 14:12). Although, the Ezekiel reference is directly to the King of Tyrus, the wording suggests that the spirit within the king is being addressed & described. Lucifer desired to sit in God's place ( Isaiah 14:12-14), therefore he was cast out of Heaven onto the Earth.

    c. And Lucifer, also called Satan (in Book of Job), was there in readiness to deform God's perfect creation (man & woman) in the Garden of Eden, that they too might become like him, filled with evil & opposing God & all that is righteous & holy ( Genesis 3:1-19).

    d. Though Satan was cast to the Earth, he still has access to Heaven, even as he presented himself to God with the other angels ( Job 1:6,7) to accuse Job (even as he does us: Revelation 12:10). Satan is not chained or confined to Hell now - he roams freely to deceive the nations ( Revelation 20:3) & will make his final thrust through the coming Anti-Christ, the personification of Satan, just as King Tyrus was. But he will one day be locked up for good ( Revelation 20:7-10).
  • Marcos Veloz on Genesis 3 - 4 years ago
    Yes I do... Jesus Christ is GOD "Romas 9:5".


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