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  • Frankie J - 2 years ago
    Friends,

    After reading two threads, which stated that "we could never love like God loves" I felt compel by Holy Spirit to correct this belief, that's unscriptural.

    Paul states 2Cor 5:14

    The love of God that flowed through him, he states in Gal 2:20 it was Christ that dwelling within him, living, moving & having His being within Paul, having His mind, heart & spirit. & where Christ dwells He brings His Father with Him John14:23 & God is love, he became an living expression of the Godhead, there's no way that in this abide abode that God love was not known, felt, displays in his life. Have you ever tried keeping your human love in? What about God ?

    Jesus states in John15:10 "abide in His love"

    We must believe that we can Ephesians 3:19 as we continue to grow in Grace in the knowledge of His will that

    Hebrews 10:10 for faith Gal 5:6

    1 John 1:14 perfect love experienced, is what John the beloved "tasted, seen & handled" 1John 4:12

    1 Thessalonians 4:9 God taught them how to love as He loves

    John 13:14 "as I have love you"

    Folks,

    To my understanding, Jesus prayer in John 17:21-23 reveals a union between the Spirit & Soul of our Creator & his creatures that unites us in such an wonderous way, that it took Divinity to imagine it, & the Son accomplish all His Father's heart desire. Matt 17:5

    Jeremiah 32:38-41 Love never fails.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello GiGi

    I quote Heb 4:2 from the NIV, ."1.Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2. For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. "

    GiGi, also all the grk Bibles I have read so far agree on that matter that the message to the Hebrews was for their entrance to the promised land.

    If we wish to know whether the Hebrews at that time did actually know about Christ's sacrifice, we can look at Ephesians 3:4-6, "4.Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ. 5. Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6. That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:"

    Why does Paul call God's plan a mystery for the people in OT? Because simply they didn't know about it.

    Also please read 1 Cor 2:7, "But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:"

    GiGi, the Hebrews were expecting Christ (Messiah) as a king who would free them from their enemies and make them a nation which would rule over all other nations. They never expected Him as a man who would sacrifice Himself for the salvation of all nations, showing this way that they had never known God's mysterious plan. This is how I understand it and if I am wrong let God lead us.

    GBU
  • David0921 - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Mr. Spencer,

    Ephesians 3:1-15 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the MYSTERY; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the MYSTERY of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be FELLOWHEIRS{of the New Heavens and New Earth}, and of the SAME BODY{the Israel of God}, and PARTAKERS OF HIS PROMISE in Christ by the gospel: Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the FELLOWSHIP, OF THE MYSTERY which from the FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD HATH BEEN HID IN GOD, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the CHURCH {All True Believers throughout history} the manifold wisdom of God, According to the ETERNAL PURPOSE which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory. For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the WHOLE FAMILY IN HEAVEN AND EARTH{All True Believers throughout history}is named,

    Ephesians 3:21 Unto him be glory in the CHURCH{All True Believers throughout history}by Christ Jesus throughout ALL AGES, world without end{the New Heavens and New Earth}. Amen.

    There is ONE SALVATION, ONE INHERITANCE for all True Believers throughout history, i.e. the ISRAEL OF GOD.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi David,

    Ephesians 3:3-4.

    The word Mystery in the Greek is used a little different than the way we use the word.

    Mystery in the Greek is "musterion" it means something divine that has been unknown up until now but is here now being divinely revealed. "Christ IN US" " The kingdom is at hand" And the kingdom is within you etc.



    When God mentions Israel in the OT, he's talking about The Nation of Israel associated with the land.

    Are the 12 tribes of Israel a idiom for the Church as well?

    Who are those out of the Church is called the remnant of Israel?

    When did God scatter them (The Church) among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries?

    When God is talking about Israel, he us NEVER talking about the Church. In fact, he makes a great distinction between Israel and the Church. Those who are post cross "Jew and Gentiles make up the Church. However, that union was hid in the OT, Salvation to the Gentiles was mentioned but not as one body. Also, the Church never had geographic land! So how can you bring them back from all nations to the "land" of Israel. The land of Israel belongs to the 12 tribes of Israel. scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries:

    Can Jeremiah 16:14-15 be applied to the Church?

    "Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt.

    But The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers."

    Jeremiah 23:5 makes it clear along with many other verses.

    Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Thanks Brother Ronald.

    I believe we are in agreement.

    For some reason I thought you were saying the mystery was that salvation went out to the Gentiles and the Desciples wasn't commissioned to preach to them until Paul and Stephen.

    Paul was born out of due time so he would be late in the commission.

    I believe Christ came to gather the lost sheep of Israel as mentioned in Matthew 15:24.

    I agree there was a lot to be fulfilled that was Prophesied in the old testament.

    Even his death was prophesied.

    Salvation to the heathen.

    Even his deity was prophesied " Isaiah 9:6." so I don't hold the view as Gigi as this being the mystery mentioned in Ephesians 3:5-6.

    I believe the Mystery goes further than just extending salvation to the Gentiles but that they would be Joint heirs and how it would be accomplished.

    By way of the cross and by rebirth by the Holyspirit.

    Even when he rose from the dead they asked when was he going to restore the kingdom.

    Even when he appeared to them after he rose from the dead some didn't believe.

    Not until they received the Holyspirit were they able to comprehend his work.

    Being born of God's spirit and baptized into one body was not revealed to them neither could they comprehend it.

    I believe this is what Jesus is saying in John 16:12-14.

    Also John 14:26 gives an example of how the Holyspirit would reveal revelation to them that the natural mind couldn't comprehend.

    God bless.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Lynn Pitts,

    I'm hoping GOD pulled through for you with shelter over your head. I had a dream last night that I was asking a US retired Marine, to show me how to survive outside, without freezing. I was weeping, (because our situation is dire in real life & in the dream) he started to show me & started to set things up, upon a sheltered rock. I declared urgently "Wait! I have 3 children, this needs to protect them too!" Then he picked the materials up & the situation changed. Later in the dream, I was holding that retired Marine in my arms weightlessly up in water & helping baptize him. Leading him in the walk of a believer in the LORD & Word of GOD. The leader that was supposed to be doing the baptism seemed to be saying things & doing things wrongly. I quickly submerged the Marine under water declaring scripture. He stayed very close to me until a woman needed my help. Then I went with her, helping her fight the evil attacks against her. I'm not sure what the dreams I've been having mean fully, but I came across your prayer request again & I'm going out on a limb thinking it may be connected. I believe many of us that help here on this site, will pray about dire situations but don't have a response we feel is good enough encouragement to post. I have pondered scripture & prayer for you a couple of times. I've even tried to reach out to Samaritan's Purse Ministry on your behalf but my message failed to send in their platform.

    We're in a difficult season to say the least. We will make it through these times! I believe it! We need each other in these times & in the days & years ahead. This is a place like: Philippians 2, Philippians 3:10-21, Romans 12:1-13, Ephesians 3:16-21, 2Timothy 2:1-3, James 5:10-11, 2Corinthians 11:25-27, Matthew 8:19-20,

    I was reassured in my spirit, these difficult oppressive moments I'm facing are for others. It's a bigger better plan. 2Corinthians 4, Psalms 139, Psalms 37,

    Hopefully these are all helpful
  • GiGi - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Dear Alex, Your doctrine of universal salvation regardless of belief or unbelief in Jesus and His work as well as your doctrine of God being born and replicated in us is what is in error.

    Refer to John 3:18-19 and Luke 13:3 (Jesus said to repent or perish)

    The Sciptures says that the Holy Spirit, Christ, and the Father all come to dwell within the believer, but all are not remade into baby gods in us, nor replicated in our human persons.

    Read Ephesians 2:22 and Ephesians 3:17

    John 14:17 and John 14:23

    God does not change, as in the Spirit being born in us as child that grows. Only Jesus was Incarnated, not the Holy Spirit.

    Read Psalm 102:27 and Hebrews 1:12 and Malachi 3:6

    Alex, I know that we have addressed these doctrines before, but I still believe that YOU are the one in direct opposition to the revealed Word of God.

    Bless you today, Alex. Always, love in Christ.
  • Deanstuyvesant - In Reply on Ephesians 3 - 3 years ago
    Jesse, Thank you for your response. Praise God! It is encouraging to hear from someone that has an understanding of what God is saying to them. May God thru the Holy Spirit continue to bless you with revelations unto His Word.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Ephesians 3 - 3 years ago
    Deanstuyvesant,

    Amen to that! I have said this before and this is what I believe about prayer:

    To me, prayer is the means by which I express my submission to Gods will in whatever it is I am praying for.

    What that means is when I petition the Lord in prayer and ask for His will to be done, I have the promise according to 1 John 5:14-16 that He will answer my prayer.

    It doesn't matter what it is, He will answer if I ask according to His will. Now, I know that doesn't mean I'm always going to get what I expect, and my situation might even get worse, but it will be according to His will, and I must accept it and thank Him either way!

    Often times people pray for things, whether it be for better health, better finances, new job, or whatever they are praying for, but in their prayer, the do not pray for His will to be done, and then wonder why their prayer was not answered.

    But if we pray anything according to His will, that prayer will be heard and answered. And we have to submit and accept whatever His will is.
  • Deanstuyvesant on Ephesians 3 - 3 years ago
    One of my praying the Scriptures is praying by putting myself in Ephesians Chapter 3 verses 14-21. To me, praying the Scriptures is being in agreement with God and His will to answer. This is a powerful prayer.
  • Jesse - 3 years ago
    Pondering on the verse of the day, I notice the pronouncement of Paul, the benediction. First he talks about the capability of the Lord. He says, now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think.

    When I pause here, I don't believe anyone

    can piece together words like that in any literature better than that. He is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think!



    All that I'm complaining about, all that I'm asking the Lord about, He's doing much more. And He knows so much more.



    And it's according to the power that is working in us. The word working is the word energy. According to the DUNAMIS, the power that is energizing in us.



    And then the creed concerning the Lord in the next verse ( Ephesians 3:21). Unto him be glory in the church in Christ Jesus into all ages, world without end. Amen.



    Just by these verses, Verses 17 through 21, you get that sense and understanding that Paul knows who Jesus is!
  • T Levis - In Reply on 2 Peter 2 - 3 years ago
    Ephesians 3:5, Matthew 1, Luke 1, Luke 2, Mark 1, Psalms 22, Isaiah 53, Isaiah 11:2, Zechariah 13:6,

    Matthew 16:13-17, Luke 4:40,41, Matthew 15:29-38, Isaiah 42:1-7, Matthew 12:17-23,

    Luke 24:6,7,15,16,27, in context Luke 24, Luke 23,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T Levis - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 11 - 3 years ago
    Ephesians 3:11-12, 1Corinthians 13:12, 1Corinthians 11, 1Corinthians 11:15,

    If we approach the throne as: Job 1:6, Job 2:1, John 1:12, 1John 3:1,2,

    Philippians 2:1,

    Hopefully these help
  • A. - 3 years ago
    Debra, be comforted and strengthened in Jesus mighty name.



    Exodus 14:14 kjv, Psalm 59:16 -17 kjv, Isaiah 54:17 kjv, Colossians 1:12-14 kjv.

    Ephesians 3:20-21 kjv, Psalm 46:10 kjv.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Thanks Giannis.

    That's the way I have it as well.

    On the Matthew 24:31-46 I think I was responding to Gigi.

    Her quote;

    By GiGi

    The most consistent view in the church over the centuries was that the rapture happens on the Last Day, as Jesus said in Luke 21:27; Matthew 24:29-31. Even Daniel was told that he would arise on the Last Day in Daniel 12:13. This is why I believe that Jesus comes back only once again and will gather believers to Himself on the Last Day.

    End quote.

    My point was that Matthew 24 was not about the rapture.

    Those taken away are gathered for judgment.

    She's rapturing the wrong group!

    Some say that the tribulation is a time of testing for God's people. Who and what is being tested? God's grip?

    We must consider these verses. John 10:28-29.

    I John 4:4.

    Matthew 28:20.

    John 14:18-20.

    Ephesians 3:30.

    Jude 1:24-25.

    Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST:

    So it's obvious God is not testing a spirit filled vessel.

    TRIBULATION.

    This is mentioned in Daniel 12 where a specific time period is mentioned and Jesus confirms it in Matthew 24:15-21. This tribulation is to come upon the whole world. This is not the persecution ( By the world ) promised to the Church in Matthew 5:10 and other places.

    There's a huge difference between persecution by the world and tribulation ( UPON ) the world.

    Millennium.

    Where does Christ thousand years reign here on earth fit in their theology?

    My reason for asking is they are split in this view.

    If you say the rapture comes after the tribulation and you use Matthew 24 to authenticate that, When is the thousand years reign of Christ here on earth?

    Why would you rapture people out of the Millennium?

    Some hold the view the Millennium has already begun and the Church will usher in the Millennium by preaching the Gospel.

    They say there is no rapture.

    Continue this weekend.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Gigi.

    Thanks for your reply.

    John 16:12-14 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

    Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: AND HE WILL SHEW YOU THINGS TO COME.

    He shall glorify me: FOR HE SHALL RECEIVE OF MINE, AND SHALL SHEW IT UNTO YOU.

    When Christ first came he came for the lost sheep of Israel, When they were commissioned by Jesus and "by revelation of the Spirit" they were to take the message to the world using the old testament uncovering the mystery that was later to be revealed.

    Paul elaborates on this in Colossians 1:25-26 "Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

    Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

    Also;

    Ephesians 3:9-11 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

    To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

    In acts when they received the Holyspirit they expounded from the old testament, Which was the promise to Abraham, Blessing to the Gentiles and the mystery of the Church.

    These are the same scripture they had all along!

    Truth is revealed to us in that same manner. By the Holyspirit.

    Apart from the Holyspirit we can read the scripture all day everyday and never get to the debt of the meaning of scripture.

    Also;

    Christ "in us" gives us a new heart also causes us to walk as he did.

    What ever is not done in the spirit is dead works.

    God bless.

    God bless.
  • Stephen Mitchell on Ephesians 3 - 3 years ago
    Amen Amen Amen
  • Ronnette on 2 Timothy 2 - 3 years ago
    2 Timothy 2:15 is a powerful verse. If we do not learn how to rightly divide the word of truth, we will be lost understanding the chain of events from the time God brought the Hebrews from the Land of Egypt until The Christ Lord Jesus died on the cross up to our time today which is approximately 2,000 years. Honestly, we do not have time. As you all noticed the rapid days go by quickly as God says 2 Peter 3:8 and you see Psalms 2:1-12

    I do not mind repeating to all that the Bible is a complete book Revelation 19:13 for us today to prepare ourselves and others. I pray all to be saved. We cannot have the people caught unaware of Matthew 24:37. To rightly divide is to know for us today what we need to do. So I will say that the 11 apostles messages are important for the physical Jews Matthew 10:5-7 at the end time; and there are verses in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John that pertains to a spiritual Christians of today.

    God had chosen Paul to be His vessel so we can read and believe not in vain. Study the Book of Romans to Philemon because he was the Last and believe it or not the 12th Apostle Galatians 1:1, Acts 9:15, Acts 13:47, Acts 22:21, Roman's 11:13, Ephesians 3:8, 1 Timothy 2:7, Galatians 1:16. After Jesus died He says Hebrews 9:14-17. Then you are Ephesians 1:12-14, 2 Timothy 2:19 and 2 Corinthians 1:22. Therefore, 1 Corinthians 9:2 just like Romans 15:28. Ephesians 4:30 and sing Psalms 49:8, 111:9, 130:7. In conclusion my fellow-believers, Paul is sealed 1 Corinthians 9:2 by God to be our apostle today. Weneedtoputtheworkof Paul not in vain Galatians 6:11. Paul tells us Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25, 2 Timothy 2:8. And the gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Then we are sealed Ephesians 1:13. Perhaps you are not understanding me because Revelation 18:4, Proverbs 20:1, Roman's 7:11, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Corinthians 15:33, Galatians 6:7, 1 Timothy 2:14, 2 Timothy 3:13, Titus 3:3, and lastly Revelation 18:23. Psalm 37:1-40 then we meditate Psalms 27:1-3. Shalom/Agape.
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello again One Eighty. Looking at our comments both now & previous, I think the problem I have is understanding the phrase you use, "I believe Jesus is an EXTENSION (creation) of God Who is Spirit."

    I don't use the word 'creation' to refer to Christ's appearance, as that denotes that God created Jesus, as One Who had no previous existence (e.g. Adam & Eve were created, the angels were created, animals, etc. as well). Whereas Jesus was never created as He is the Word incarnate (made flesh); i.e. the Word was always in God's Being & God took His Word and embodied His Word with humanity. The Word, though in human form, never ceased to be vitally connected to God, i.e. the Word was always Divine (holding the Divine Nature), but for the sake of taking upon Himself flesh, for suffering & dying, Jesus made Himself of no reputation ( Philippians 2:6-8): Greek for that is 'ekenosen', emptied Himself of His full Divinity - which He had to of course, to become man with human limitations, aging & death.

    You've also said that "Jesus is an EXTENSION of God" & I think I can understand your meaning with this, but I wouldn't use 'creation' for Jesus, because how can a created One also be the Creator & Sustainer of all things ( Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:13-17)? So, I'm unsure whether we're saying the same things & using specific words to describe Jesus' manifestation, or whether we need to discuss further what I've shared about the eternal Nature of Christ Jesus. Blessings.
  • Ronnette - In Reply - 3 years ago
    You are welcome. Please allow me to make myself be clear. Please read the entire chapter of John 1. John1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. When you see capital letter "W" Word in the Bible it means Jesus Christ. John 1:14. The lower case "w" word means the Bible. You cannot come to God the Father but by Jesus Christ John 14:6-7; For through him (Jesus Christ) we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Ephesians 2:18; it is a mystery Colossians 2:2-3; God gave to Jesus everything we need to know Revelation 1:1. In conclusion, There is one God the Father, one God the Son the Lord Jesus Christ, and one God The Holy Spirit. Three persons if you will, manifested from ONE GOD. Thank you so much for your question, I know how hard it is to many people understanding this concept, for I now have to be careful explaining it to you as well. Very happy for the opportunity. Glory to God.

    More verses to prove Jesus is God. I will pray that you will be guided by the Holy Spirit in your journey to God. Agape.

    1 Corinthians 1:10

    Romans 16:25

    1 Corinthians 1:9

    2 Corinthians 8:6

    2 Corinthians 1:19

    2 Corinthians 4:6

    2 Corinthians 5:18

    2 Corinthians 13:14

    Ephesians 1:17

    Ephesians 3:9

    Philippians 2:11

    Revelation 1:5

    Revelation 1:9
  • David - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Richard The word of knowledge is the operation of the God given ability via the spirit to information he gives

    you concerning a specific situation that you cannot know by the five senses. Example 2 KINGS 13-16 VERSE 16

    you will embrace a son. another example in 2 KINGS 7:1 was stated at the time when there was a famine so great

    that there was cannibalism 2 Kings 6:26-29 and the king blamed the man of GOD. iN 7:1 basically Elisha says

    thus sayeth the lord revealed knowledge or word of knowledge in 24 hours there will be great abundance in the city

    and of course the ones he talked to thought he was nuts! This also operates correctly with scripture and must

    Glorify the true God and bless the body of CHRIST. Last in Ephesians 3:1-4 Paul was given in the church epistles

    all knowledge concerning the Body of CHRIST no other man was given the abundance of the revelations that Paul

    was given that's why the adversary wanted him dead. Everywhere he went and taught the freedom in Christ Jesus

    there were unbelievers right behind him trying to talk people out of the walk via the spirit. Things haven't changed

    there is nothing new under the sun.
  • David - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Richard IN 1 Corinthians 12:7 Paul writes concerning the manifestation or one of the nine outward displays of the gift

    holy spirit. Best definition I've ever heard is the outward manifestation of the inward prasence of the power of holy

    spirit. In the first century church this was not limited to the apostles other believers spoke in tongues and performed

    miracles etc. It is interesting to note that to the corinthians in 14:18 Paul states I thank God I speak in tongues more than

    ye all. So whats the benefit. Acts 2:11 speaking the wonderful works of God, Private prayer life 1 Cor. 14:4+5 Edification

    of our spirit 1 Cor. 14:4, communication with God in divine mysteries or secrets. 1 Cor. 14:2, giving thanks well 1 Cor 14:17

    keeps us aware we are Gods children and joint heirs with Christ Roman8:16, helps us with our infirmities Romans8:26,

    makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God Romans 8:26+27,strenghthens us with His might in the Inner

    man Ephesians 3:16, sign to unbelievers in the church new people 1 Cor.14:12. These are all the wonderful benefits again all

    things of God are profitable and glorify Him when operated correctly in order with Gods LOVE. P.S. I've seen many times

    these things are more in total confusion. LAST 1 Cor. 14:40 Let everything be done decently and in order. That's Godly Amen
  • GiGi again - In Reply on Romans 15 - 3 years ago
    Dear 8152757794

    I must clarify that in Ephesians 3:2 it does say "dispensation of the grace of God, which was given to me for you." (NIV)

    This does not indicate that it is a period of time, rather that Paul has been given the administrative task of dispensing the Gospel to the Gentiles as God called him to do.

    There is not a mention in the Bible of any":

    of the "dispensations" listed by Darby and espoused by ardent dispensationalists. I prefer to speak about God revealing Himself and His plan/promise of salvation across the ages, not all at once, but as an unfolding from time period to time period until it reached it's fulfillment in Jesus.

    I do not have a problem with people thinking of dispensations in this way, but I do not follow the thinking that there are 7 dispensations across times. I believe that the redemptive plan of the Godhead has remained the same since before creation. It was promised and prophesied until it reached its end in Jesus Christ.

    I think that many dispensationalist teach error concerning that there are multiple ways for people to be saved across the ages, not one way, that of faith in God's promised salvation in a Redeemer to come, for the O.T. saints, and in the Redeemer who has come, for N.T. believers. I think also many these people teach error when they say that the only Scripture that applies to Gentiles are the epistles of Paul. Because of these errors, I cannot embrace dispensationalism.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    John 17, Romans 8, 1John 4:13-21,

    Ephesians 3:17,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • David - In Reply on Romans 15 - 3 years ago
    Ronnette I absolutely agree with your reading of scripture, Jesus Christ came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel as stated in the gospels and the church epistles. The apostle paul was specifically called out to the gentiles because the judeans were still

    working in the law although they were operating GODS GIFT OF GRACE. The APOSTLE PAUL WAS SPECIFICALLY GIVEN THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE ONE BODY IN CHRIST Ephesians 3:1-9 also Colossians 1;25-29. Thats why Romans through thessalonians

    is the complete knowledge of the operation of the church in the grace administration or age.
  • Frank - In Reply - 3 years ago
    As a believer in the eternal security of the believer I wouldnt think the Apostle Paul believed he could/would be eternally lost, considering his letter to the Ephesians 3:11-14.
  • Ronnette - In Reply on Romans 15 - 3 years ago
    Hello Giannis:

    I agree with your first sentence. To add, Jesus said "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24 KJV. During Jesus Christ on earth He commanded His Disciples in Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

    6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Jesus was preaching the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven. Had the Jews recognized their King..could of, would of, should of. But they killed their Messiah. Your second sentence is half correct. Jesus Christ had chosen Paul to be the twelfth apostle with a purpose to tell us Gentiles more detail what happened during his dispensation. The word dispensation can only be found 4X in Paul's epistles: 1 Corinthians 9:17

    For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

    Ephesians 3:2

    If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

    Colossians 1:25

    Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

    Ephesians 1:10

    That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

    These verses proved to me that when Paul told us to "divide the word of truth" means that God speaks to different people in different times. Meaning Dispensation. Therefore, some verses of the Bible applies only to the Jews and only to Gentiles and some applies both to Jews and Gentiles in different times as "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:1 KJV. Paul is our Apostle today. His dispensation of Grace is critical for today's salvation. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Agape.
  • Vallie - 3 years ago
    How many times is the word family mentioned in the old testament? Not families just family. I know it's only mentioned one time in the New Testament in Ephesians 3:15.

    Thank you in advance.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 3 years ago
    Hello Fabian TAIMABRI,

    Genesis 1:27, notice: Genesis 1:26,28,29,

    Genesis 2:7, interestingly here "formed, breathed life" is this symbolic of the Church the body of Christ to come? John 12:25, Genesis 3:22, John 5:26, John 5:24, John 3:36, John 6:48,54, Titus 1:2, Romans 8:6, John 5:39,

    Is chapter 2, symbolic of the stewardship of GOD's Church? Genesis 2:15, Matthew 20:8, Luke 12:42, Mark 12,

    Back to Genesis 1, "man appears to be collective for both" yes in name like human, humanity, humankind "man"

    see even more interesting = Genesis 5:2,

    GOD says distinctly female & male Genesis 1:27,

    It appears it could be those created to multiply, fill the earth, subdue were away from the presence of GOD, again seeming to point to the symbolism in the garden "in the presence of GOD " His church. Genesis 3:8, Genesis 3:23-24, Genesis 4:14-16,

    Genesis 2:17, spiritual death? Matthew 8:22, Luke 9:60, Matthew 22:32, Matthew 23:27,

    In the forming of Eve, it appears also specific, spiritual & special with symbolism, Genesis 2:21-25, Genesis 6:1-3, Mark 10:4-9, 1Corinthians 6:15, Revelation 21:2,9, Isaiah 62:5, John 3:29-36, Matthew 22, Luke 12:36, Ephesians 5:30-32,

    1Corinthians 13:9-12, James 1:5, Ephesians 3:4,

    Hopefully these are all helpful
  • Doug - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Dear Giannis I am not going to address all your thoughts on this topic. The first one we can agree on is that we all say the scripture is true. We think we are differing in interpretation. The interpretation you are struggling with is the interpretation of people's lives. Why is man (that is supposedly sinning every day) capable of determining who is sinless and who is perfect). If you were living with Jesus would you have said he was sinless and perfect. Matthew 21:12 "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves," Would you have said He was "pissed off" , angry, lack of restraint, not patient or intolerant? I haven't see that many people that angry. Could you have rightly interpreted his actions to say he was sinless and perfect? He told his disciples "how is it that ye have No faith" and "how long shall I suffer you" (put up with you). If you were there or you here a person today say something like it. How do you measure that person. Steffen told the leaders (which we are to obey) "You do always resist the Holy Ghost". That sounds very proud and judgmental against authority. I wonder how many of us living today would have followed Jesus and if we saw him would we say he was a "perfect, sinless man". The only reason we do is because the Bible says he was. I differ from your view point about capability. Some scriptures Eph. 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: John 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Ephesians 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 2 Cor. 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:


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