Discuss Daniel 12

  • Ronald Whittemore - 8 months ago
    Hey Meek and seek,

    May you see this: your reply is already gone. I will keep it short in respect of others.

    Much of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 focuses on the end times. If we look closer, some of what Jesus told the four was specifically for their time. First, back then, they didn't even understand that Jesus was going to be executed, as shown in Luke 9:44-45 and Luke 18:31-34. We also see how they reacted after Jesus was crucified; they did not believe Mary and the other women who had seen Jesus.

    When Jesus spoke about the temple, he said that not one stone would be left on top of another, which describes what happened in AD 70. There was a church in Jerusalem led by James and other Christians in Judea during this period. History records that they escaped to a city called Pella. Many link the phrase "abomination of desolation" to the end times, the antichrist, and the false teaching of the rapture. However, Jesus isn't referring to Daniel 9:27 but to the prophecy in Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11.

    Wording in Daniel 9:27, "for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate," Daniel 11:31, "the abomination that maketh desolate." Daniel 12:11 "the abomination that maketh desolate set up,"

    Antiochus IV Epiphanes carried out this act in 167 BC; this is the abomination of desolation Jesus is talking about. Jesus is warning them that the same event will happen before the temple's destruction in AD 70. History records this; it did happen, the warning Luke gave in Luke 21:20. If we look at Daniel 9:27, it says that for the abominations, He, who is Jesus, will make it desolate, referring to Matthew 23:36-38.

    Just something you may study, I feel you and I try to study in prayer without preconceived assumptions.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • REM - 10 months ago
    Revelation 3:3

    Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.



    Daniel:29-45. Daniel 12:1-3. Matthew 24:9-44. Revelation 7:9-17. Revelation 15:1-8.



    Revelation 11:19

    And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.



    Zephaniah 2:2-3.



    Revelation 16

    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

    18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

    19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

    20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

    21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
  • Richard H Priday - 10 months ago
    All roads lead to Armageddon

    In the spiritual dimension; powerful principalities and powers await the timing of the Rapture in order to fully implement the Antichrist's covenant with many; the mark of the beast and eventually attempt to overthrow Christ Himself after gathering the nations together as Psalm 2 and Revelation 19 make clear. As to the details on that campaign perhaps I'll elaborate on a future post.

    There are things which involve Michael in the last days. Daniel 12:1 states: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

    We also read in Revelation 12:

    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

    In this power play we see two sides who both are contending for power; Satan of course will know that his time is short ( Rev. 12:12) as dictated by God. Michael as one of the Archangels is involved in fighting this anointed cherubim who fell and the outcome is already known. In doing this; of course Satan and his minions are cast down to earth and allowed for the brief space of 42 months to wreak havoc.

    In light of these awesome and fearsome events we need to remember God's sovereignty. We also need to understand His purposes

    Daniel 9:24 states: Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. This summarizes of course the 69 weeks from 444 BC to the crucifixion; but especially is focused on the last 70th week.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Hey MotherMac,

    Sorry for the delayed reply.

    It's good to hear from you. Different understandings of this subject may disagree with mine. I'm not sure I can fully answer your questions; others may have more information, but I will share my best understanding. Many believe the great white throne judgment is only for the condemned, but I think there will be both groups, as you mentioned, with the sheep and the goats in Matthew 25. We also have Daniel 12:2, which seems to refer to the same resurrection, and John 5:28-29, where the ones who did good and those who did evil are in the same resurrection.

    This second resurrection includes the rest of the dead who were not in the first resurrection, as well as all the people who lived and died during Jesus' 1,000-year reign over the earth. Some also lived before Jesus and after His ascension, who never heard of Jesus or the gospel. But that is not an excuse, Romans 1:18-20.

    I believe Romans 2:11-16 is about the judgment of those who have not heard the gospel. You may not agree, but it tells us that everyone has a conscience, referred to as the heart, Proverbs 4:23. Everyone has an awareness of God, which guides us morally in discerning right from wrong. Those of us in Christ who are in the first resurrection have been given the Holy Spirit, which offers us even more guidance, and God and Christ can dwell within us, with our sins covered by the blood of Jesus.

    It says everyone will be judged based on what is written in the books, according to their works. This is a book of deeds listing good and bad. It may be the same as the book of remembrance; I'm not sure. I would think the book of the law would be opened, Deuteronomy 30:10-15. Some may say the book of the covenant is the same as the book of the law, and the Book of Life; they may be more, but I'm not sure. Those in this judgment not found in the most important book, the Book of Life, have their part in the Lake of Fire.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Willow - 10 months ago
    Artificial Intelligence

    Part 1

    I am trying to stay on the same page as you in the Scriptures and am giving great importance to what you post, but I get lost in the my translations.

    Recently, I have studied a lot about the AIs and their distinct webs, such as the LLM and the AGI, as the brother commented about. The AIs are frequently using the posts and videos published on the internet, indirectly or directly. I know that you already know this; it is no news.

    we know the story of Daniel. the Bible relates that Daniel and his companions were trained in the court royal of Babylon to learn the language, the literature and the science of the Chaldeans ( Daniel 1:4).

    what the book of Daniel mentions in this verse ( Daniel 12:4) fits into my reflection:

    "But you Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until to the time of the end; many will run from one part to another, and the knowledge will multiply."

    Daniel was a Jew and lived in the century sixth B.C at the time of the time of the exile in Babylon.

    As a Jew, certainly knew and spoke Hebrew, which was the language liturgical and national of the people of Israel. If I an wrong, do not hesitate to explain to me. You know that the verse in question in Hebrew is our base etymological, and we need to understand that some words sometimes have been translated in different ways.

    For example, the expression - many will run - in the verb Hebrew can be interpreted, in other versions, as - many will connect.

    Would this give rise to a debate or a discussion? I still do not know, I do not know if I should star, I am a layperson in these matters.

    Everything in this text is public, not is from my mind.
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    Work of the Spirit in the Tribulation

    While we can't hold all spiritual truths to the exclusion of the Tribulation there are some things; no doubt functionally that He will work with once the church is removed and the restrainer mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Joel 2:32 states along with verses in Romans that all who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved; but the focus in Joel is no doubt the Tribulation with God's judgments on the earth; albeit the earlier fulfillment at Pentecost.

    There are other verses which warn in the end that although men cry out to the Lord He will not hear them and they are destroyed.

    Whatever happens at Armageddon; no doubt the fate of those are sealed who have taken the mark and fight against Christ at His return.

    In terms of Predestination I quote in Revelation 13:8

    8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    This fits into other scripture such as Daniel 12:10 that only the wise will understand what is going on at that time.

    Thus; the finality of the wheat separated from the chaff occurs. I would say that begins with the false one world religious "Babylon" which has an economic and religious headquarters and power structure. The beast himself destroys this at the midpoint of the Tribulation in accordance with the wishes of the 10 rulers who rule with him for one hour so as to receive worship only for himself. ( Rev. 17:16).

    We all need to remember that this horrible time; the worst the world has ever or will ever again endure is all in God's plan to finish the work of purifying His people including the nation of Israel ( Zechariah 13:8 and many other verses). His saints; therefore will be the living testimony along with Christ's physical return of His faithfulness and will usher in the promised Millennial reign. Sadly that will end with one more rebellion; sinful man can never learn on their own.
  • Swampbillyranch - In Reply - 11 months ago
    If you look at Matthew 24:22 it says "And except those days should be shortened, there should be no flesh saved: but for the elect's sake those days days shall be shortened. This verse shows that the days of tribulation were shortened for gods elect. You will find in revelation chapter 9:5 that the time was reduced to a five month period. As far as generations that are mentioned in the bible in Genesis 6:3 God gives man 120 years that is a generation. Also in psalm 90:10 it discusses a lifespan of (70 years ) with "by reason of strength " potentially reaching fourscore years" (80 years). There is also the 40 year generation mentioned in the bible as a symbolic period of testing, trial, or probation, or as a generation. My personal opinion is that psalm 90:10 gives the correct generation for the parable of the fig tree which was set out in 1948. Psalm 90 was attributed to have been written by Moses making it one of the oldest psalms. In psalm 90 it talks about a life span reaching 80 years but if you think about it Moses lived to be 120 years old. We do not know the exact day or hour of Christ' return but by the signs true believers should be able to determine the season. What season are we in? The harvest season May thru September 5 months. Some of the signs that are mentioned in the bible are 1. (Increased knowledge and travel Daniel 12:4) 2. False prophets and teachings Matthew 24:5) 3. (Global unrest Matthew 24 6-8) 4.(Apostasy Revelation 3:16) 5.(Fig tree Parable Matthew 24:32) these are some of the signs that lets us know what season we are in. Matthew 24:32 states ( Now learn a parable of the fig tree.) Christ made it very clear that we are to learn this parable. When his branch is yet tender and putteth forth leaves ye know that summer is nigh. this verse teaches us just as the budding of a fig tree signals the approach of summer the signs mentioned in Matthew 24 indicates Christ second coming is near even at the door. Mark 4:13 unlocks the fig tree parable.
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    Extrabiblical declarations (part 2).

    What we can say with some assurance is that certain verses of scripture are being fulfilled; the biggest general one being an increase in knowledge and travel ( Daniel 12:4). In fact; the idea of the Gospel being preached to the whole world along with some other statements in Revelation seem to show an worldwide network of video which we have today.

    To warn of anything clearly prophetic in scripture for now and the future is being obedient to sounding the trumpet as Ezekiel warns we must do (See Ezekiel 33). God does nothing without warning the prophets ( Amos 3:7). This is certainly true during the time of Jacob's trouble with the 2 witnesses and 144,000 Jews proclaiming the Kingdom to come but certainly there is a need to preach repentance today as many of the promises and warnings to the churches in Revelation 2 and 3 have direct application today; especially the Revelation 3:10 praise to the Philadelphia church; and likely Revelation 2:22-25 to Thyratira where it appears many could be left behind who are caught up with seducing spirits or literal immorality with seductive women.

    Revelation 18:5 talks about Mystery Babylon and her sins piling up into heaven and whether our nation is Babylon or it is centered in Israel itself or the new city planned for Abu Dhabi we can certainly say with the statement in Daniel that in general leaders have become completely wicked ( Daniel 8:23) is the season for Antichrist to appear. No doubt also our sins in America align with many statements about a mingled people that used to know God and have prostituted themselves; in our case with sex traffic and pornography that we have either directly supported or turned a blind eye to; to the countless millions of lives terminated in the womb; to the shocking number of crimes in this country; etc.

    I will say this as a positive note for those who are out there giving the alarm that it is a necessary practice; the church is mostly asleep.
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    They do not know, nor do they understand; They walk about in darkness; All the foundations of the earth are unstable. ( Psalm 82:5).

    For the believer; the opposite is the case as 1 John 1:5 states in "Him there is no darkness at all." These two verses along with similar cross references summarizes the state of the world vs those who know the Lord and hence are in the world but not of it ( John 17:16). In a broader sense it also defines those who are trapped in this world system and can't see beyond it and those who are "rapture ready" and will be delivered soon; that are currently "seated in heavenly places" according to Ephesians 2:6.

    Isaiah 8:22 shows the condition of those left behind in the Tribulation: And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness. At that time some will cry out to God and be heard; others not. We can look to God's chosen people in Exodus 2:23; many passages in Psalms; etc. but we are warned ( Micah 3:4).

    Jeremiah 7:16 even shows a passage where the Prophet was not to pray for His own people as judgment was set forth; and the Tribulation will also be with judgments already predetermined according to the seal; trumpet and vial judgments decided in the Divine council. Nonetheless, it will bring forth a "countless multitude" according to Revelation 7:9 and the complete fulfillment of Joel 2 started at Pentecost with many "signs and wonders" on the earth as well as dreams and visions coming to men and women everywhere.

    Again; Daniel reminds us in the 12th chapter that only the wise will understand; not the wicked ( Daniel 12:10). We can only work now to fulfill the Great Commission and "occupy until He comes" ( Luke 19:13) but once the Rapture occurs the "gig" is up as it were; and men will have to be given strong delusion by God because of their love for evil ( 2 Thess. 2:11). Let us preach the truth and love God with our whole heart; mind and soul dutifly.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 12 months ago
    (Revelation Part 56):

    Revelation 15:1 - And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

    And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up (or completes), the wrath of God.

    This is what is known by Jeremiah in Jeremiah 30:7 as the Time of Jacob's Trouble. Also in that verse, Jeremiah says that day is great, so that nothing is like it.

    In Daniel 12:1, he says this time will be a time of trouble such as never was here on the earth. This is the seven last plagues. Under the breaking of the seventh seal, we have seven trumpets. And now we have seven bowl judgments. They all are under the seventh seal. The seventh bowl judgment begins at the seventh trumpet.

    Revelation 15:2 - And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

    They are standing on the sea of glass. That's this large area that's right before the throne that we saw back in Chapter 4. And they have the harps of God. These again would be the lyres, the guitar like instruments.

    Revelation 15:6 - And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

    And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles, or sashes. That would be the dress of the high priest. So, these angels have the seven last plagues.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 12 months ago
    Ronald,

    (Part 2):

    To answer your questions, the first one being, "The Rapture doctrine, where the Church is taken to heaven before the second coming of Jesus, does it fit scripture?"

    My answer would be yes. First of all, the phrase "shall be caught up" is translated from the Greek word HARPADZO, which means to be caught up, to be snatched up by force, to be seized. The Latin translation of the same Greek word is RAPTUS, which is where the word rapture comes from. So, whether we call it the rapture, or the HARPADZO, or caught up, it is all talking about the same thing.

    HARPAGESOMETHA.

    This "caught up" is when the dead in Christ are risen first, and then the living believers (church) together meet the Lord in the air. This is not the second coming of Jesus. At Jesus' second coming, He comes all the way down to the ground and the church comes with Him. Now, when we go to Revelation 19:8, we see that we are with Christ in heaven and we are clothed in white, fine linen. This is taking place in heaven before the second coming of Christ.

    A few verses later in Revelation 19:14, it says, "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean." The armies will be us, the church. We come back with Christ at His second coming.

    In Revelation 3:10, Jesus says, "Because you kept the Word of My endurance, I also will keep you from out of the hour of the trial, the one being about to come upon the whole inhabited world in order to try the ones dwelling upon the earth." This also fits perfectly with Daniel 12:1.

    This is Jesus' promise to His people who are faithful. He has promised that they will not go through the tribulation and trial that is to come upon the whole earth.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 12 months ago
    Revised.

    Hi Brother Carleton.

    I Guess you can call Titus a Prince in the human sense but so is Prince Charles.

    Yes, he was Roman Emperor Titus.

    But he was operating in a Dominion ruled by Satan.

    Ephesians 2:2 describes Satan as the "prince of the power of the air," emphasizing his influence on the world's affairs and influence.

    Also see John 14:30.

    But throughout scripture these human vessels God often used them to carry out tasks whether to Chastening Israel or even to preserve them as a nation.

    You see that with Nebuchadnezzar in the book of Daniel.

    Also See Isaiah 44:28 on through Isaiah 45:1-7.

    God called these Gentile kings his servants.

    Titus also was carrying out a judgment pronounced by the Lord! Luke 19:41-44.

    These are human vessels, "flesh and blood" but we wrestle with what's behind them.

    There is no need for Gabriel the arch Angel for these kings of the world but he stands for Israel against the source and influence behind these kingdoms.

    Daniel 10:13.

    Daniel 10:21.

    Daniel 12:1.

    God bless."
  • Carleton - 12 months ago
    Good evening! Another view. Is not there a separation that takes place by Michael the prince in Daniel 12:1 ? God's elect are the "children of thy people". Pondering that "thy people", those that would not enter in when the veil was torn (or slept in faith and awakened in the graves in the appointed hour) were cast into the time of Gentiles while the children that were newly born of God became the elect.

    Jesus at the cross is the view from the old and the view from heaven by revelation, I believe. This view remains present today whereas the resurrection remains present in this time even this hour.

    Likely I have written something similar before and have received loving reproof. Yet more history continues to speak. God bless our faithfulness.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    (Revelation Part 26):

    Revelation 3:5 - He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    He that overcomes, and again, that's a Present Participle. To the one who (is) overcoming, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    There are references in the Old Testament that tell us there's more than one book ( Exodus 32:32-33, Daniel 12:1-2, Psalm 69:28). There's the book of life which has listed in it everybody that has received human life. And then there's the book of the Lamb, those who belong to Christ.

    In the book of life, if a person rejects Christ, their name is removed from the book of life as if they've never been born. They're gone! But no one is ever blotted out of the Lamb's book of life. If you go back into the Old Testament and you study from those references, it will show you that there's more than one book. And the Jews knew that.

    It's not that God has books up there. But it's just a human example or an illustration that God knows everything, all the people that have been born, and all the people that belong to Christ. He says I will not blot out his name out of the book of life. And I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Jesus said that He would do that.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Brother Spencer,

    This section in Daniel that you mention starts with Daniel 12:4 and Ezekiel 2:9-10, Isaiah 29:11 are key verses. The book was sealed but as you alluded to, we see the seal being broken in Revelation Chapter 5.

    The things that John wrote were the events he actually got to see. John got to see the future happen as it was happening. Also, I agree with you that the bible clearly shows the deity of Jesus Christ, and that He is God indeed, Amen!

    God Bless!!!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen Brother Jesse!!

    In Daniel 12:8-9 we see where Daniel was told to go thy way for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

    The book of Revelation is not a sealed book.

    It's rendered in signs that are symbolic of reality.

    John was given a outline to "Write the things WHICH THOU HAST SEEN, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

    The things that John has seen is in chapter one.

    The Revelation of Jesus Christ!

    The unveiling of Jesus Christ.

    One thing that is definitely being revealed here is what has been collectively being shown throughout the Bible!

    The deity of Jesus Christ!!!

    Christ is the Almighty!

    Christ is God!

    God bless you Brother.
  • Bemtivi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello!

    The Word of God is perfect, and there is no way to escape it.

    His protection is as near as the very breath of life Genesis 2:7.I'm grateful for being able to share Bible studies, I also have a blog-it's not about Bible reflections, it's more of a personal hobby, but there is a verse inspira in my profession, that directly relates to it and always comes to my mind: "There is no speech nor language where His voice is not heard."I enjoy learning new words and texts, but as you mentioned (systematically), I must not get lost in philosophies.Yesterday, for example, I learned the word metaresiophobia.

    It comes from Greek roots: Meta = change; Aresio from the verb "aresk" = to please, to adjust; Phobos = fear.In the Bible, we see that God does not change Malachi 3:6, but we must be continually transformed to be shaped into the image of Christ Romans 12:2.

    Sometimes, I need to admonish myself and ask: am I really talking to an AI?Now, in my native language, I make a personal analogy with the word "admoestao" admonition, dividing it phonetically as: "admo" like "admonition" + "estacao" which means "season" or "station" in English.

    This division is not technical, but phonetic and symbolic.To me, it's as if an "admoestacao" is a warning that comes in the right season - in other words, at the right time 2 Timothy 4:2.

    I know, deep down, sometimes my fear isn't about change itself, but about accepting what is new - like learning a new language or facing situations that take me out of my comfort zone.But God is sovereign, and Daniel already warned us about the days when knowledge would increase rapidly Daniel 12:4.
  • David0921 - 1 year ago
    THE PROPHECY OF SIMEON (Part 12)

    The waste and desolate places have reference to the churches and congregations worldwide, no exceptions, in our day. Spiritually they have become desolate and no one is being saved there. The key verse is verse 20: The children which thou shalt have, after thou hast lost the other, shall say again in thine ears, The place is too strait for me: give place to me that I may dwell. The children which are lost is a reference to the churches and congregations the vast majority of which have no true believers within them. There may be a few that remain, and they will be brought out or come out before Christ appears. The children which thou shalt have are all those who are being saved outside the local congregations during this final great tribulation period.

    Now going back to Daniel 12:11, we saw that if we go 1,290 years from 1877 B.C. at the time of Jacob's great affliction, we landed on 587 B.C. at the time of Daniel's great tribulation. Now, if we fast forward 2 x 1,290 years from 587 B.C., we to land on the year 1994 A.D. which is a key milestone in God's salvation plan. God occasionally employs a 1/3, 2/3 rule, as in:

    Zechariah 13:7-9 7Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones. 8And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

    Cont in Part 13
  • David0921 - 1 year ago
    THE PROPHECY OF SIMEON (Part 7)

    Acts 7:9-11 9And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him, 10And delivered him out of all his afflictions [Greek: thlipsis], and gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and he made him governor over Egypt and all his house. 11Now there came a dearth over all the land of Egypt and Chanaan, and great affliction [Greek: thlipsis]: and our fathers found no sustenance.

    Jacob's affliction stemmed from the fact that they were forced to leave the land of Canaan, the land flowing with milk and honey, a land that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had dwelt in for 215 years, due to the famine. And in regards to famine, remember Amos 8:11?

    Amos 8:11-12 11Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: 12And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.

    Amos 8:11 is speaking about our day, which is parallel to Jacob's tribulation in that within the churches there is a famine of HEARING the words of the LORD, meaning the Holy Spirit is no longer present in the churches to give spiritual ears to hear.

    God has provided a time bridge of 1,290 years between Jacob's tribulation and the tribulation of Daniel's day. The 1,290 years comes from Daniel 12:11.

    Daniel 12:9-11 9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

    God occasionally substitutes a day for a year, as in Ezekiel 4:4-6.

    Cont in Part 8
  • David0921 - 1 year ago
    TIME AND JUDGMENT (part 1)

    "...A wise man's heart discerneth both time and judgment." Ecclesiastes 8:5

    There is nothing that is quite as controversial in the Bible as the matter of time, and specifically, the question of where we are presently in terms of time. The Bible lays down a fundamental principle that we may not shy away from in Ecclesiastes 8

    "...4 Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou? 5 Whoso keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing: and a wise man's heart discerneth both time and judgment. 6 Because to every purpose there is time and judgment, therefore the misery of man is great upon him. 7 For he knoweth not that which shall be: for who can tell him when it shall be?"

    Here God is laying down a fundamental principle. A "wise man" is referring to Christ, who indwells each and every believer in the person of the Holy Spirit.

    We also have another fundamental principle laid down in Daniel 12:1-4

    "1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

    In verse 4, God declares, But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end. Already there is an implication that the believers must know something about time, for how else shall we know that we are at the time of the end?

    More in part 2
  • David0921 - 1 year ago
    AND WITHOUT A PARABLE SPOKE HE NOT

    Luke 8:10 "And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand."

    Mark 4:9-12 "And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them."

    Mark 4:33,34 "And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it. But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples."

    Matthew 13:33,34 "All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world."

    Daniel 12:4 "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

    Daniel 12:8,9 "And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end."

    In the Bible, a PARABLE is an earthly story with a Spiritual meaning. Christ, God Himself, is the author of the entire Bible and He declares that "without a parable spoke He not".

    Is not then every historical account in the Bible not only a literal account but also a HISTORICAL PARABLE teaching some aspect of the Gospel? ceremonial Law, lamb of God, book of Ruth, etc.?
  • David0921 - 1 year ago
    What is the TRUE GOSPEL? (Part 1)

    The True Gospel is circumscribed by the Bible, Alone and in its Entirety, the 66 books of the Old and New Testaments, in its original languages. The King James Version, is translated from the oldest and most reliable manuscripts available, and the translators sought to stick as closely as possible to the original text; This is in stark contrast to the modern translations that use inferior manuscripts and seek to reinterpret the original text and put it in more understandable language. That said, the KJV is far from perfect, it does contain errors, and the KJV translators were heavily influenced by the doctrines of the church, which when viewed from the superior vantage point of our day when we are very near the end of time and God is opening our understanding to many truths that were previously kept sealed (read Daniel 12:4,9), were often faulty. Therefore, the serious Bible student should always carefully check the original languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek using the modern tools that are readily available, such as interlinears and concordances, which are keyed to the KJV.

    By definition, any gospel that cites an authority that is outside the 66 books of the Bible, or narrower than the Bible, is a False Gospel. That includes gospels that look upon other books as divinely inspired or that feature the teachings of those who claim to have received direct revelation from God, whether in a dream or a vision or tongue, as in the tongues described in 1 Corinthians 14.

    Revelation 22:18-19

    "18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

    Continued in Part 2
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi KathyP,

    There are different understandings of this, the most important thing is when we die, our destiny is fixed, either eternal life given through faith and the grace of God or the second death. S Spencer has given you good information on the judgment seat of Jesus that we see happen in Revelation 20:4 this is after Jesus returns and the battle of Armageddon and the beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire and Satan is locked up for the 1000 years.

    You can study Revelation 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20 about these events. If we have a different understanding of the white throne judgment has nothing to do with our salvation, when this white throne comes down the earth and heaven are fled away. The first resurrection will be the chosen, and faithful who will reign with Christ for the 1000 years, Revelation 20:6.

    The second resurrection is the rest of the dead, Revelation 20:5 the reason for my understanding that the white throne judgment is not for just the lost is Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. To me, if some names were not in the Book of Life there were some whose names were in the Book of Life.

    Another reason is Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. John 5:28-29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

    These verses are talking about one resurrection, not two, this is the last resurrection, and this to me points to the white throne judgment. We also have 1000 years between the two resurrections, many will live and die and those who are saved and those who are lost will be judged at this white throne judgment.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • David0921 - 1 year ago
    Where we are today?

    As we look at what is going on in the world and in the churches and congregations today, what do we see?

    We see a world where sin, i.e. disobedience to God's law, is and has been multiplying as never before.

    We see churches and congregations exhibiting a love for the world as the worship service has become a place for entertainment. And an abandonment of the Bible, the Word of God, as being the ultimate authority; where the church itself is the authority and not the Bible. We see a gospel being proclaimed where man is in control of their salvation and not God alonea do-it-yourself gospel where Christ has done His part and now it's up to us.

    So where are we in God's time table of His plan for the churches and the world?

    We are, I believe, living in the period describe in Matthew 24 and Mark 13, the Great Tribulation. A period where God's judgment has fallen upon the churches as we read in 1 Peter 4:17 and 2Thessalonians 2:1-12. And where God is preparing the world for His return on the clouds of glory at the Last Day.

    It is also a time where God is reveling truth from His Word, the Bible, that has been hidden in times past as we read in Daniel 9 and Daniel 12.

    Daniel 12:9 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

    But God, in this time, is saving a "great multitude" as we read in Revelation 7:9. Ezekiel 36:24-38, Jeremiah 29, Jeremiah 30 and many other passages which are pictures of God's salvation during this time.

    If there were ever a time where we should be searching the scriptures and praying that God in His mercy might lead us into truth, this is that time.

    But we must search the scriptures using the principles that God lays down in His Word. A key principle is that Christ is the author of the entire Bible and that He "spoke in parables, and without a parable spake He not" Matthew 13:34 and Mark 4:34.

    May God in His mercy open our spiritual ears as we search the scriptures.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hey Peyla,

    As S Spencer has said this is not about salvation, through Jesus we have the gift of eternal life. Please do not be confused, the truth is in the Scriptures with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Many are looking to be taken to heaven before the great tribulation of Satan, the beast, and the false prophet.

    We all will be judged Acts 17:31 Hebrews 9:27 2 Corinthians 5:10

    There will be two resurrections; the first is when Jesus returns, after Satan, the beast, and the false prophet have their 3.5 years of tribulation, Revelation 13:1-5 Matthew 24:29-31 2 Thessalonians 2:1-5.

    When Jesus returns with His angels, the first resurrection, the battle of Armageddon, the beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire, Satan is locked in the bottomless pit and Jesus will set up the kingdom, and those chosen, and faithful who are first resurrected will rule with Jesus, Revelation 16, 17, 18, 19. After the battle, in Revelation 20:5 we see Thrones and judgment is given to them who were in the first resurrection and given the honor to reign with Jesus during the 1000 years.

    We see in Revelation 20:5-6 the rest of the dead lived not until after the 1000 years and the blessing on those who will be priests of God who will reign with Jesus in the millennium on earth, not heaven. There will be different rewards for the saved who will live in eternity with God and Jesus.

    In Daniel 12:2-3 we see some will shine greater than others and also, we see those in this resurrection, there will be those who will awake to everlasting life, and some who will awake to everlasting contempt. We also see in John 5:28-29 and Matthew 25:31-46 what we see in the white throne judgment, Revelation 20:11-15 the rest of the dead, some will go into eternal life and some who are not found in the book of life is cast into the lake of fire.

    There is much more to study, you should study for your conscience, we must not be deceived Matthew 24:4.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Tewmardew,

    I am sure we all have thought about that, but it is hard to answer. We have a loving and just God wanting all to come to Him and be saved because He gave His only Son for the redemption of sins. Some may say no since the only way to the Father is through the Son but what about those who never had the opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus?

    All of us have a conscience and the knowledge of good and evil, some get to a point of no return and God gives them over to a reprobate mind, Romans 1:28. Some go so far into evil that their conscience is seared with a hot iron, 1 Timothy 4:2, they do not know good from evil. I do not know if you have ever met someone like that, but you can see cold darkness in their eyes.

    If we read Romans 1-16 it is not the hearers of the law but the doers of the law for they, have it written in their heart and their conscience bears witness. Our conscience records all we have ever done or thought. I believe this is about those who have heard the gospel and those who did not have a chance to hear it.

    Many take the great white throne judgment as for the lost only, but I believe this is for those who are not in the first resurrection, Revelation 20:4-6. My understanding is the great white throne judgment goes with Daniel 12:2 John 5:28-29 Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 20:11-15.

    As it says in Revelation 20:15 all that was not found in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. So, to me, this is all the rest of the dead Revelation 20:5 if some were not found, some are found in the Book of Life. Some who lived before Jesus first came and some after Jesus came who never heard the gospel, their conscience bearing witness, will be found in the Book of Life. As we see in John 8:9 Acts 24:16 Romans 9:1 2 Corinthians 1:12 1 Timothy 3:9 Hebrews 13:18.

    This is my understanding.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Chris,

    Thank you, brother, I know many have your understanding of this, and defining the difference between the soul and the spirit is difficult, in Scripture they seem to be interchangeable, at least it is for me. Salvation is not dependent on this, we know we are sealed and secure in Jesus regardless of what happens when we die.

    In Genesis 2:7 Adam became a living being/soul the Hebrew word nephesh, in the New Testament it is the word psyche. My understanding this is who we are, our senses, desires, affections, appetites, intellect, and memories. The soul, who we are can be killed, Matthew 10:28. My understanding when we die is the soul/who we are, is asleep with our body in the grave, and is resurrected either to eternity with Jesus or is killed in the lake of fire.

    Man cannot kill our soul all souls belong to God Ezekiel 18:4. God has offered a way of salvation for souls that are doomed to die, Hebrews 9:27. And we are told we can walk in the world or walk in the Spirit and Jesus told us the consequences, Matthew 16:26.

    Spirit both the Hebrew word ruach and the Greek word pneuma translated as spirit have the concept of breath or wind at their roots. This part of us can be alive or dead Ephesians 2:4-5. The most enter part of us that connects or refuses to connect to God, like a radio receiver and it gives life to the body, Psalm 104:29 James 2:26.

    This is what returns to God when we die, there is no more communication our fate is set after we die our soul is asleep in death until we are resurrected, Daniel 12:2. I know you said you do not know Plato, Greek philosophy, many in those days were influenced, the spirit or soul is immortal and the descriptions of an underworld. I believe Jesus took parts of these fables and used them as subject matter in this parable.

    My understanding the spirit does not have a body it gives life to the body, and we are resurrected and given an eternal spirit.

    Thanks again, God bless,

    RLW
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Tdianne,

    There are different understandings of this and the difference is based on whether one believes souls are immortal. My understanding is the immortal soul belief came from Greek philosophy, Platonism. This was blended into the Church along with the definition of death meaning separation, the separation of the soul from the body.

    My understanding from scripture every part of us is mortal and when we die, we sleep in the dust/grave Job 14:12-14, Job 17:13-16.

    When is a corn plant absent from its seed, it is when it springs forth from its grave of the earth. 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 We are sown, we sleep in the grave, Daniel 12:2 Acts 13:36 and until resurrection which there are two, Revelation 20:4-10 and Revelation 20:11-15.

    We are sown in corruption it is raised in incorruption, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58 We as mortal beings do not put on immortality until we are resurrected being freed from this body of corruption into a glorified body, then we will be present with the Lord, 1 Thessalonians 2:19.

    May others give their understanding for you to study for yours.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • RED APPLE TREATY 4 ME ONLY - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Continued: Daniel 6:22 KJV

    that allows me to be shown to have no challenges in relations in life .

    Ways you can have unwavering faith, steadfast having strength and God's protection ( Psalms 121:1-8 KJV) ( Daniel 12:1-4 KJV, ), God protects you fighting and defending for you and his anger is on adversity. Are to allow God attributes ( Galatians 5:22 KJV )to come within you receiving them mind, body, soul and spirit.

    Treat others as you want to be treated confirming yourself in the image of God Genesis 1:27 KJV becoming his son daughter, or children.

    Love and trust the Lord

    Practice humility to God and in God.

    Surround yourself and be in surroundings with goldy influences of (Christian- practices , a place , institution.)

    Published and spoken Word by REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY
  • RED APPLE TREATY 4 ME ONLY - 1 year ago
    that allows me to be shown to have no challenges in relations in life .

    Ways you can have unwavering faith, steadfast having strength and God's protection ( Psalms 121:1-8 KJV) ( Daniel 12:1-4 KJV, ), God protects you fighting and defending for you and his anger is on adversity. Are to allow God attributes ( Galatians 5:22 KJV )to come within you receiving them mind, body, soul and spirit.

    Treat others as you want to be treated confirming yourself in the image of God Genesis 1:27 KJV becoming his son daughter, or children.

    Love and trust the Lord

    Practice humility to God and in God.

    Surround yourself and be in surroundings with goldy influences of (Christian- practices , a place , institution.)

    Published and spoken Word by REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY


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