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I believe the new covenant started after the resurrection. of christ.
I believe the church started to form at Pentecost.
I believe the old covenant ended after the crucifixion of Christ.
I believe James and the other Apostles went after the scattered and lost sheep of Israel announcing that the messiah has come and to bring in the new covenant to them.
The Kingdom gospel, it was never meant to be a Gospel of salvation as they thought.
The good news to them was Christ would some day come and restore the Kingdom.
However, It was postponed!
What they didn't know was that Christ would first come and destroy it by way of the cross and salvation would go to the Gentiles. Amos 9:8-10
All the preaching during Christ ministry was under the old covenant.
There were promises God made to Abraham concerning the Davidic Kingdom hadn't been filled yet.
The Prophet's prophesied a second coming.
Isaiah 11:10-11.
Hosea 5:15.
Notice the sequence here In Acts 15:13-16 as James quotes from Amos 9:11
"And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
"After this" I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
James says "After this" I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David. ect ect..
This parallels Romans 11:25.
This is a kingdom after the call out of the church.
The Lord will gather his people Israel".
Here's the activity in that gathering.
Amos 9:9-10.
Blessings.
For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.(v.9)
Meaning of this verse is simple: the house of Israel is like as corn is sifted. Similar as God, touching his vineyard,- he looked that it should bring forth grapes, but it brought forth wild grapes. He asks,"What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it?"(Is.5:1-4)Corn is blighted and mildewed since among all nations where they went they were corrupted all the more. Sifting for corn is a vain exercise. Not a corn shall be found. They have become like chaff, mentioned in the Book of Daniel,"and became like the chaff of the summer threshing-floors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them."(Dan.2:35)
V.8 however hints of a remnant, " Behold, the eyes of the Lord God are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the Lord." They were among those called predestined, justified and glorified. Why? God or rather the Law of the Spirit saw them as such. Before the Law the word has set space and time as zero. It explains Jesus Christ the same, yesterday, today and forever" (He.13:8) If God is for them they are called for Zion, above and not for the earth.
In v.11 we read of it, "In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old" Notice the expression 'in that day' and it refers to heavenly Jerusalem, New Jerusalem to be precise. "In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old." Joel also refers 3:17 "So shall ye know that I am the Lord your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain."
"I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, Smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake."
This vision presented to Amos has beam (lintel) and the posts serve as pillar. The idea is the weight of the masonry coming above the door is distributed evenly across the lintel to both sides of walls whether it is of stone masonry or of timber. If lintel represent the heaven the threshold connecting the posts at the doorway denotes the earth. In He.12 we have such a shaking,"Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."(12:26).
Smiting of the lintel of the temple of God is intended to shake the wicked out of the hallowed precincts of the temple, from his presence. "The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it." (Ps.75:3) The Spirit presents the heaven and the earth in such a manner heaven is spread across like carpet so the wicked can be shaken out it as one does with carpets in the spring to be rid of the accumulated dust.It is in this sense God tells Job in the quote. ( Job 38:13)
The Spirit has set the principle while organising the visions, where people places and events are described they shall consist of Jesus Christ since the Bible is the God document, "all things were created by him, and for him:/And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." The reason is simple:"For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell."(Col.1:19,15-16) Significance of "I am the door" is as relevant as this quote,"Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered."(Ze.13:7) Smite the lintel means 'smite the shepherd'. God shall take care of a remnant, "the little ones" but the sheep shall be scattered. This shall explain the diaspora of Israel as well as the great tribulation. The narrative mode is Min-Max so specific event overarches to latter days.
God is a Spirit who has a visible image:Jesus Christ.(Col.1:15). It is thus we designate the unseen aspect of His will as heaven and the seen aspects of it as the earth. The Psalmist praises this slow maturation of His will as His works. His creation, can follow so the moon is a cue for the beasts of prey 'creep forth' for their feed while man stops with his labor."Thou makest darkness, and it is night: wherein all the beasts of the forest do creep forth."(vv.20-23).When St Paul refers to his works as well as riches as spiritual blessings, (" O Lord, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches"-v.24) So the earth is a blessing we have received in Jesus Christ.(Ep.1:3) Now what are the works of God but to make their glory in terms of his Son? He is the "Brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power." The word is the Law of the Spirit.
The Ancient of days is a visual representation of the Law so seven days establishes faith holding the seen unseen worlds as one."Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."(He.11:3). The everlasting covenant accordingly gives us the first day in which creating of heaven divides light from darkness which the Psalmist compares to a garment, 'robes of righteousness' and he "who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain" sets out foundations so His creation shall understand when He creates man 'after our image and after our likeness'. "And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament' Ge.1:7 explains the seven pillars or beams, "Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters". Heaven is stretched Up and down as storied ( Amos 9:6) or across. For as many pillars there are "foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."(v.5)
The number of Man is 6.
The number 7 is completeness.
Man is incomplete without God.
I believe you see this in the structure of the menorah.
We have the tendency to believe Man can get his act together if his conditions were to change and there were no outside influence from Satan.
We just need a great economy and time to evolve into Holy people as long as we're under the watch and providence of our great ruler, with even better odds than Adam and Eve had in the Garden or Israel had in the wilderness.
Atleast that would seem to be the case if Satan was bound.
No more evil influence from that deceiver!
Well scripture tells us that the nations of the WORLD will have just that.
Here's just a few verses
Isaiah 30:19-21.
Isaiah 65:17-24.
Amos 9:11-15.
Zechariah 14:16-19.
Revelation 5:10.
Isaiah 2:2-4.
This will happen here on earth during the Millennium when Satan is bound.
And when he's loosed he will deceive the nations again.
Revelation 20:1-8.
Note: This is not the Church!
More on Satan and Eden next.
God bless.
The Islamic Threat To Israel (Part 1)
By Dave Hunt
That vicious anti-Semitism would pursue the Jews worldwide throughout history is one of many prophecies about Israel ( Dt 28:37; Neh 1:8; 2 Ch 7:20; Jer 24:9; 25:11; 29:18-19; 44:8; Amos 9:9, etc.) that God points to as proof that He is the one true God, that the Bible is His Word, and that the Jews are His chosen people (Is 42:8-9; 43:10; 46:9-10; 48:5, etc.). From a human point of view, there is no rational ground for such persistent, widespread anti-Semitism; yet this prophecy has come true with a vengeance. The only explanation is found in the Bible: the Jews are God's chosen people and under His judgment for their rebellion against Him ( Dt 28:15-68; 29:24-28; 30:17-20, etc.).
There is a further obvious reason for this universal anti-Semitism: hatred of Jews and Israel is inspired of Satan because his only hope to escape eternal doom is to destroy them. This he must do to save himself from God's wrath. Had Satan been able to destroy the Jews before Christ came, he would have prevented the birth of the Messiah, the salvation of mankind, and his own defeat through the sacrifice of the Son of God for mankind's sins. Moreover, for promising a Messiah and a salvation that never came, God would have been proved a liar and thus could not righteously have punished Satan.
Of course, the Messiah came and defeated Satan, "tasting death for every man" ( Heb 2:9) and bearing "our sins in his own body on the tree" (1 Pt 2:24). Countless multitudes have been redeemed and will spend eternity in the Father's house of "many mansions" because of having received the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior. But Christ's defeat of Satan through His death and resurrection did not end the battle between God and Satan for the hearts, minds, and eternal destiny of mankind. That battle continues to rage--and Israel is at its center.
See Part 2.
Amos 9:8-9.
Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD.
For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
( They have been scattered amongst all the nations.
In the latter days God will raise up the tabernacle of David and gather them from all nations.)
AMOS 9:11.
In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
AMOS 9:14-15.
And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
James quotes this in Acts 15:15-16.
I hope this helps.
God bless.
REVIEWING THE NEW TESTAMENT CONSIDERING PREMILLENNIAL AND AMILLENNIAL VIEW POINTS.
In the previous section I left off discussing the council in Jerusalem mentioned in Acts 15:13-17 and Paul's writings in Romans 11:25.
These verses is concerning what become of Israel and the Covenant promises while the Church age has begun.
This tempts me to revisit the OT and usher in Daniel 9:24-27 at this junction but I will save that for now.
The focus is on Gods future plans for Israel and the timing and location of the Kingdom reign of Christ.
Some call it the Millennium reign or Millennium kingdom which can unfortunately confusing.
Millennium is a Thousand years.
That's just how long Satan will be chained.
Christ reign is everlasting. We must no mistake the Millennium for eternity. There's still sin, chastening and death in the Millennium. Christ rule with a rod of iron. Eternity is entirely different.
The Millennium is a time of testing.
There's a final rebellion by Man after the Devil is loosed for a season.
The statement in Acts 15:13-17 is drawn from Amos 9:11-12 which has been debated.
Amillenarians sought to make this a contradiction of the premillennial point of view.
It seems that "after these things I will return" refers to the return of Christ after the period of Gentile prominence which began in 606 B.C. and is destined to continue until the second coming. It is "after these things" judgment on Israel, their scattering, and discipline that Christ will return and build again the tabernacle or tent of David. The reference to the tent of David does not concern itself with any building but rather with the political power and sway which David had.
Amos 9:14-15 debunks that,
Especially verse 15. "And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God."
It's bedtime for me.
I will continue at a later time.
God bless.
By way of recap we're comparing the way these two groups interpret the scripture surrounding the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants.
Part 5.
In Hosea 3:4-5. before the Babylonian captivity, it was predicted: "For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or Prince...
"Afterward SHALL THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.
Hosea 3:5
Also;
Amos 9:11.
Zachariah 14:4.
Zachariah 14:9.
This of is not a contradiction of the fulfillment of the Davidic covenant, but is a part of the same picture.
and many more OT references.
LET'S REVIEW THE NEW TESTAMENT.
According to Luke 1:30-33 the angel Gabriel told Mary that she is to be the mother of Christ and Christ will reign on the throne of His father David over the house of Jacob.
To Mary "the house of Jacob" could mean only one thing and that is the descendants of Jacob, namely, the twelve tribes of Israel.
It seems the disciples and others anticipated much the same kind of a literal fulfillment.
Matthew 19:28.
Matthew 20:20-21.
Luke 22:29-30.
Acts 1:6-7. The disciples were still anticipating an earthly kingdom and hoped for its immediately.
Christ did not say that their hope was vain and that there was not going to be a literal fulfillment. He replied: "It is not for you to know the times or seasons, which the Father hath set within his own authority."
But He directs their attention to the immediately task before them, and to the power of the Holyspirit Spirit and proclaim the Gospel to the whole world.
Now this is where the line is drawn from dealing with Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Confirming verses at the council in Jerusalem in Acts 15:13-17.
More on this later.
God bless.
Matthew 10:34, Romans 8:38-39, Ecclesiastes 3:1-11,
Genesis 3:24, 1Chronicles 21, 1Chronicles 24:16, Exodus 32:27, read in context Exodus 32, Leviticus 26, Numbers 22, Deuteronomy 13:15, Deuteronomy 20:13, Deuteronomy 32, Jeremiah 50:35-37, Amos 1:11, Amos 9:4-15,
Joshua 5:10-15 continues Joshua 6,
1Samuel 15,
2Kings 6, note 2Kings 6:22, 2Chronicles 23:21, Nehemiah 4, Esther 9, Jeremiah 43:11, Hosea 2:18, Micah 4:3,
Hope these encourage
Part 2.
"Notice the Highlights."
And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE OF THE LORD, AND ARE GONE FORTH OUT OF HIS LAND.
BUT I HAD PITY FOR MINE HOLY NAME, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.
Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I DO NOT THIS FOR YOUR SAKES,
( O HOUSE OF ISRAEL, )BUT FOR MINE HOLY NAME'S SAKE, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
AND I WILL SANCTIFY MY GREAT NAME, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
A NEW HEART ALSO WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU: and
(( I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND I WILL GIVE YOU AN HEART OF FLESH.
AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Ezekiel 36:19-28.
A new heart has been given to the Church, BUT NOT TO THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. That's the Nation, Paul's kinsman in the flesh.
Amos 9:-914.
and
And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
Amos 9:15.
They've been moved out of the land SINCE Joshua brought them in!!
See part 3.
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.
Jeremiah 16:14.
Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir?
Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD.
For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
Amos 9:7-11.
The tabernacle of David didn't exist during Jesus ministry, It doesn't exist now but it will exist during the Millennium.
God bless.
Part 4.
The context and language of Genesis 2:7 clearly rule out any evolutionary processes. This is evident from the fact that: (1) man is alone; (2) God breathes into his nostrils the "breath of life"; and (3) he is formed from the dust of the ground.
Because Adam cannot find a helper (zer) who corresponds (knegd) to him from among the animals ( Genesis 2:20), the LORD God puts him into a deep sleep (cf. Jonah 1:5-6) and makes (bn) a woman, who corresponds to him, from his "rib" ( Genesis 2:18). The verb bn depicts the LORD God as "building" Eve out of the "rib" or side of Adam ( Genesis 2:22). It is used elsewhere in Genesis for the physical building of a city and a tower ( Genesis 4:17, 11:4; cf. Amos 9:6). The word rib (l) complements the word built, as it appears numerous times in the building of the tabernacle ( Exodus 25:12, 26:20, 27:7, 30:4, 36:31-32, 37:3, 38:7). This is a beautiful picture of how the LORD God constructed the first woman. The term built also compliments the craftsman's term fashion used for the creation of Adam ( Genesis 2:7), as the LORD God is now working with hard material and not soft dust. Eve, unlike Adam, was not created from the ground, but her source comes from a "living creature." There is no way to harmonize Genesis 2:22 with theistic evolution: it is describing supernatural creation!
See part 5.
Providing we're able to convince one there is a God by his creation,
Psalms 19:1.
Romans 1:19-20.
Perhaps here's a few of many verses that shows the God of the Bible is that God.
Genesis 13:14-15. And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed (FOR EVER.)
As we know they went into captivity, And Ezekiel wrote from Babylon when the was desolate. They later returned and the land was left desolate again for over 1900 years.
May14, 1948. We see the "start" of
Ezekiel 37:1-27.
Ezekiel 20:42.
Jeremiah 30:2-3.
Jeremiah 31:17.
Isaiah 43:5-6.
Micah 4:6-7.
Amos 9:14-15.
Ezekiel 36:23. AND I WILL SANCTIFY MY GREAT NAME, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I SHALL BE SANCTIFIED IN YOU BEFORE THEIR EYES.
Jeremiah 16:14-15. Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.
Jeremiah 23:6-8. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
When a belief is based on one's well researched & unchangeable 'facts', then any other proof given, will never be adequate & always rejected.
Remember Luke 16:27-30.
Amos 9:2 Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down:
Take it with a grain of salt, then use a lot more salt to kill the lies. Of all the worlds space agencies that claim they've been to the moon, not one of them can produce a photograph of earth to prove it. Every picture we have from "space" of earth is a composite. All that $ and not one legitimate photo? Apollo not exceeding low earth orbit negates obtaining full earth shots. Govt's could resolve the flat earth charade, yet they choose division. Let's see Musk & Besos go to the moon, and take photos of the spherical earth before populating Mars. They reach for the stars and get taken down to the pit.
( Amos 9:2) Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down:
One example for the thick is Paul on his way to Damascus:
Acts 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
Acts 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
So, what is it, huh? Did they hear the voice or not? I can do this all day with hundreds of verses that infuriate me.
As far as the earths shape is concerned, it is definitely spherical, like the other planets/moons. Though they reach for the stars, I will bring them down to the pit. Amos 9:2 LEO, 400 miles up is our limit, then we hit the firmament hard, keeping mankind "in". Space programs like governments are shrouded in mystery, deception, lies and fraud. NASA could prove the earths shape, but prefer to stoke the division of uncertainty. Did you see earths curvature last year when SpaceX posted the mission video? What about the earth casting a "round" shadow on the moon during an eclipse? Plato and Socrates saw the curved shadow and determined the earth was round.
For fun, Google "They're Alive!! Challenger Crew Found Alive and Well 30 years since the Disaster". The hoaxter astronauts didn't even bother to change their names!!!
In our text today we see Lord destroying and restoring Israel showing that God disciplines those He loves. Our Lord is not a mean judgmental God looking for you to make mistakes so he can pounce on you but rather a loving father who lovingly disciplines His children. How about you? Do you see your Lord as a loving Father? Let us learn from our text today and the example of Israel to see that our Lord loves us and disciplines us just as a Loving Father disciplines His Children.
But know that the LORD hath set apart him that is godly for himself; the LORD will hear when I call unto him. Stand in awe, and sin not; commune with 'your own heart' upon your bed, and be still. Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the LORD.
AMEN!!!
I DO PRAISE THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!!!
I AM TRYING MY HARD TO FOLLOW GOD ALMIGHTY'S GOSPEL/WORDS/CHURCH!!!
I HOPE AND PRAY MY NAME IS IN THE BOOK OF LIFE... ALONG WITH MY SON'S NAME AS WE ARE BOTH KIND HEARTED GOOD MEN!!!
I PRAY THEE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY... FILL MY SON AND ME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT WE MAY BE BLAMELESS IN THE SITE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND OUR LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!!!