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Brother Jesse. I have heard of this too: that Paul was a married man before his conversion & call. Not from historical records, but appealing to the nature of the position of the Pharisee. Paul spoke of himself as once being "a Hebrew of the Hebrews" ( Philippians 3:5) & 'extremely zealous of his ancestral traditions' ( Galatians 1:14; Acts 22:3). Marriage was the norm for Pharisees & it was also required to hold a rabbinical position. The thought is: "Paul could hardly have set himself forth as an exemplar of Pharisaical piety had he not been married."

So, indeed, Paul did "count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ" ( Philippians 3:8). Obviously, he was referring to the wealth of knowledge & interpretation of the Scriptures that had to be cast aside so that Christ might be fully apprehended, but I wonder whether he included, in his 'new' single state, that this had to be his lot for the furtherance of this newly acquired powerful Gospel that he had received & which filled him?

Hebrews 9:10

Precious friends, since God is "not the author of Confusion" 1 Corinthians 14:33, Would He not "Have The Biblical Answer" to all The denominational Confusion {I found 10 'Different water baptismal traditions' today...}? Please Be Encouraged And Edified!

Part 1

{Borrowed from 12 baptisms "study"} ONE of Israel's various {divers} washings! Greek: Baptismos = Hebrews 9:10:

4. Levitical priesthood baptism Exodus 29:4 Leviticus 8:6 Numbers 8:7. This washing was The Second Requirement { The First being: "NO blemish!" Leviticus 21:21 }, in order to become a priest under the Law of Moses! Is this baptism in any way connected To baptism # 9?:

9. "water" baptism of repentance that John preached (Before The Cross), And Peter continued (After The Cross!), to preach! Matthew 3:5-6 Mark 1:4 Luke 3:3 John 1:31 Luke 7:29-30 Acts 10:37 Matthew 28:19 Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 Ezekiel 36:25.

a) Does this baptism "save" anyone Luke 7:29-30?

b1) Is this baptism in any way "connected" to baptism # 4?

b2) Wasn't John preparing National Israel for God's Promise For them "to be a nation of priests unto God" Exodus 19:6?

b3) Was not The Second Requirement for priesthood induction, Washing? { may require re-review of baptism #4! }.

b4) Did not CHRIST And The Twelve "heal" everyone in Israel who came to them, in order to meet "The FIRST Requirement" For the priesthood, that Of "NO blemish!"? Matthew 4:24 Acts 5:16 cp Leviticus 21:21

Semi - conclusion? God {has Not 10 baptismS Today, but ONLY} ONE Baptism = Confusion SOLVED! And "PEACE {Not Confusion} In ALL the churches!" 1 Corinthians 14:33 Amen? Link

More questions - to be continued in Part 2

Part II

1 Corinthians 12:13 God's ONE Baptism for The Body Of CHRIST, Under GRACE/Mystery:

Precious friends, Please Be Encouraged/Edified in This Important "study" of three baptisms:

God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:

1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" if you wish...} Mat 3:5-6 Mrk 1:4 Luk 3:3 John 1:31 Luk 7:29-30 Acts 10:37 Mat 28:19

Mrk 16:16 Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 Eze 36:25 John 18:35 Exo 19:6 +

B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! Isa 44:3 Mat 3:11 Mark 1:8 Mark 16:17-18 Luke 24:49 Acts 2:17-18 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:15-17 Acts 11:16

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided 2Ti 2:15 From Things That Differ!:

2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In The ONE Body Of CHRIST!! Eph 4:5 Col 2:12 Gal 3:27 Rom 6:3-4

1Co 12:13

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Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the sinner "believes in CHRIST, that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

Thus, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

Precious friends, Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!"

2Ti 2:15 Rom 16:25 Eph 1:3-9 Eph 3:9 = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' for All to "See," today?

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

Part II OR: Baptism Of Repentance For The Remission Of sins?:

God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:

(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve 'Were Sent' to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" IF you wish...} ( Matthew 3:5-6 Mark 1:4 Luke 3:3 John 1:31 Luke 7:29-30 Acts 10:37 Matthew 28:19 Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 Ezekiel 36:25 John 18:35 Exodus 19:6 ) +

B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3 Matthew 3:11 Mark 1:8 Mark 16:17-18 Luke 24:49 Acts 2:17-18 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:15-17 Acts 11:16 )

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15 ) From Things That Differ!:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul 'Was Not Sent' to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5 Colossians 2:12 Galatians 3:27 Romans 6:3-4 1 Corinthians 12:13 )

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Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God Saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

Thus, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

More spiritual understanding of 'Prophecy vs MYSTERY':

Link

Wesley's Notes for Acts 9:5

To kick against the goads - is a Syriac proverb, expressing an attempt that brings nothing but pain.

People's Bible Notes for Acts 9:5

Acts 9:5 Who art thou, Lord? Sure that it was a supernatural communication, though he might possibly suspect its source, he did not yet know that it came from Christ. Perhaps at times he had had misgivings that he might be wrong, but he was sincere. I am Jesus. It is not said, "the Christ", but JESUS, the crucified one against whom Saul was raging. Had the answer been "the Christ", or the Son of God, Saul might still have doubted whether this was Jesus. [It is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Omitted here by the Revised Version, but found in Acts 26:14. The idea is that he is injuring himself, like the ox that kicks back on the goads used to urge him forward.

Acts 9:5

And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks (goads).

Acts 22:8

And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.

Acts 26:15

And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

Mishael: another thing is this= Jesus always says Follow Me. He says today is the day of salvation. He's here today!

No one else is coming. If you hear his call today, follow Him.

There is a Link on the red page, Become A Christian. It's a lot to read, but I think it will answer your question. Come back, if it doesn't, ok?

1 Corinthians 12:13 God's ONE Baptism for The Body Of CHRIST, Under GRACE/Mystery:

Precious friends, Please Be Encouraged/Edified in This Important "study" of three baptisms:

God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:

(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" IF you wish...} ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6) +

B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) --------------------------------------------------

Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the sinner "believes in CHRIST, that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

Thus, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

Precious friends, Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!"

( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' today?)

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

Precious Yunda, Please Be Encouraged/Edified in This Important "study" of three baptisms:

God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:

(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" IF you wish...} ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6) +

B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) --------------------------------------------------

Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

Thus, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

Precious friend, Yunda, Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!"

( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' today?)

More Distinctions In God's TWO Different Programs!:

Prophecy/Law: 15) The Two "Main" (of 12) baptismS = A) water, For remission of sins! ( Matthew 3:5-6 Mark 1:4 Luke 3:3 John 1:31 Luke 7:29-30 Acts 10:37 Matthew 28:19 Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 Ezekiel 36:25)

B) "WITH" The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3 Matthew 3:11 Mark 1:8, 16:17-18 Luke 24:49 Acts 2:17-18, 38 Acts 8:15-17 Acts 11:16)

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From {RDf} "Things That DIFFER!":

Mystery/GRACE!: 15) Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually "Identifying" members In (The Body Of) CHRIST! ( Ephesians 4:5 Colossians 2:12 Galatians 3:27 Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13) 'ONE' = not two...

Prophecy/Law: 16) Forgive others First, Then God Will Forgive! ( Matthew 6:14-15, 18:35; Mark 11:25-26; Luke 6:37)

RDf Mystery/GRACE!: 16) Forgive others Because CHRIST Has Already Forgiven us! ( Ephesians 4:32)

Prophecy/Law: 17) Taught how/what to pray! ( Matthew 6:9; Luke 11:2)

RDf Mystery/GRACE!: 17a) we Are Exhorted to "...Make our requests known Unto God!" ( Philippians 4:6) While, At The Same Time, God "Teaches":

17b) Concerning our infirmities, we "know Not" what to pray "as we ought," But "The Spirit Intercedeth For us, According To The Will Of God!..." ( Romans 8:26)

Prophecy/Law {earthly!}: 18) "watchmen," {as CHRIST Told the Jews On the earth!}, looking for The "wicked one, the deceiving man of Sin" And "signs" ( Matthew 24)

RDf Mystery/GRACE {Heavenly!}: 18) ambassadors {As CHRIST Told Paul, From Heaven!} Looking, Watching, & Waiting For The Holy One, The LORD JESUS CHRIST {From Heaven!} ( Romans 8:18, 19, 23, 25; 1 Corinthians 1:7; Ephesians 6:12-18; Philippians 3:20; Colossians 3:2, 4:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 5:5-11; 2 Thessalonians 3:5; Titus 2:13)

Please Be RichlyEncouraged!

Heavenly GRACE/Mystery fellowship, today? ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9)

Precious Dan:

" Mark 16:14-17 So, yes Jesus does confirm that we must believe and be baptized! Amen"

God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:

(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" IF you wish...} ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6) +

B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) --------------------------------------------------

Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

So, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!"

( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' today?)

Precious friend, Meaningful Questions: "does that mean I don't have to be baptized?...I don't want to do something just because everyone else does." This is A Very Good Point!

Two things concerning "water baptized to be {or not to be} saved":

(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6) +

B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16) Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST: Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13)

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Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

So, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! So, Meaningful Questions, we don't do it "Because Everyone Else is" {disobeying God, In Confusion?} Amen?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

More Relevant water baptism Discussion is here: Link

Precious Rick: "sorry was not following conversation correctly...5 called saul "out, vs 6 saul trembling the word is tremo absolute terror, this guy went from no fear bold as brass to absolute terror because his head says whats going on but still says what do you want me to do. No where in that whole conversion did the lord beat/condemn him, why because he was doing it out of ignorance." It's ok:

So, in "that whole conversion" you say Paul "was NOT Saved" Until later, when "Ananias laid hands on him, and he was healed physically and was baptized spiritually"?

1) I believe he was saved/converted, and had the "INDWELLING Holy Spirit, BAPTIZED as the FIRST member" {our 'pattern' ( 1 Timothy 1:16) for God's NEW Dispensation Of GRACE!}, And Today's Body Of CHRIST, ON the road {church Birthday!}, By JESUS' Pure MERCY, because that's where he proclaimed: "LORD, what wilt thou have me to do?" ( Acts 9:6).

We do know THIS Scripture: "Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by The Spirit of God calleth JESUS accursed: and that no man can say that JESUS Is The LORD, but 'BY' The Holy Ghost." ( 1 Corinthians 12:3), Correct?

Thus, IF Paul DID NOT have The Holy Spirit, THEN he would NOT have said: "LORD," Correct?

2) Now, about Ananias {a "devout man according To The LAW!" Acts 22:12}, this could NOT have been the salvation/conversion above, and The ONE Baptism 'BY' The Holy Spirit, because when he "laid hands {NOT our 'pattern'} on Saul," he "received The FILLING of The Spirit, the SAME as The Twelve apostles received, CHRIST Baptizing them 'WITH' The Holy Spirit, For "power, signs, and wonders," Which Were In Effect, "Confirming The Word," UNTIL The Scriptures Were Completed. This was done by Paul, "fulfilling/Completing" The Scriptures With Romans-Philemon = God's Revelation Of The MYSTERY! ( Colossians 1:25-26).

3) Thus, ALL the THIRTEEN apostles had this power to CONFIRM CHRIST's Messages In Which LAW Disappeared as GRACE Came to be IN FULL EFFECT! Amen?

Hello Rick. I agree with your understanding of Ephesians 4:5. The 1 Corinthians 1:15-17 passage, I believe speaks of a water baptism, as in almost all cases of baptism, it refers to water baptism (e.g. Romans 6:3-5; 1 Peter 3:21; Colossians 2:12). Where the "hands of the apostle" were laid upon someone that is clearly a reference to an impartation of the Spirit (Spirit baptism) ( Acts 8:14-17; Acts 9:17; Acts 19:1-6). Or, as in Ephesians 4:5 (as you showed), plus 1 Corinthians 12:13. And yes, re-birth happens after one repents, believes, calling upon the Lord Jesus - there is no Grace communicated through water baptism.

Indeed, Acts 9:17,18 mentions the word 'baptism' & it could go either way, though I see it as Paul being water baptized. And then Acts 22:12-16, Paul rehearses the same event & speaks of him being instructed to "arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord". Do you see water baptism here or is still Spirit baptism?

The Acts 15 account, was about those men from Judaea & the believing sect of the Pharisees (v5), who wanted Gentile converts to be first circumcised & to keep the Law before they could be saved. But the decision was that neither was required (by the New Covenant in the Blood), except "that they (the Gentiles) abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood." (v20). Those are my thoughts anyway, in response. The Lord bless you.

Thank you brother ChrisE, I was afraid that I did understand you, as you wrote about this in your comments.

Re: 1 Corinthians 1:17. I believe that Paul "was not sent to baptize", as his calling & ministry was specifically to the preaching of the Gospel & for the establishing of assemblies of believers particularly among the Gentiles, to whom he was called. However, he did baptize Crispus ( 1 Corinthians 1:14, Acts 18:8) & Gaius ( Romans 16:23), & others, such as the household of Stephanus ( 1 Corinthians 1:16), though this seemed not to be the thrust of his ministry. So the fact that he did baptize (& I doubt if we could interpret the word to be 'baptize with the Spirit'), it must prove that water baptism was still performed as prescribed by the Lord in Matthew 28:19. How else would you read this?

I can understand where Ephesians 4:5 & 1 Corinthians 12:13 (as examples given by you) refer to baptism by the Spirit, however, the other references ( Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27; & Romans 6:3-4) clearly imply that believers were baptized in water. So yes, I see two baptisms: one for identification & the other, for bringing into the Body of Christ & infilling.

In your mind, would Scriptures such as Matthew 28:18; Acts 8:13; Acts 8:36; Acts 9:18; Acts 10:47,48; Acts 16:15; Acts 16:33; Acts 18:8; Acts 19:5; & Acts 22:16, be speaking of Spirit baptism? I ask, as I've attempted with great difficulty to reinterpret those verses to mean anything other than immersion in water. Yes, there is the ONE Baptism that is important, that from the Spirit, yet the Scripture is replete with examples of water baptism following repentance as an act of identification. Now if I could find a verse to show the annulment of it, I would be forced to re-think this matter. Thank you for sharing those thoughts brother.

Precious brother Chris. So glad you brought up: "'Law Administration' is difficult to comprehend when water baptism was not part of the Law to Israel (except concerning the priesthood as a ritual cleansing)." In regards to this, you may find the following "view of Israel's priesthood" Very Interesting - thanks for your careful/prayerful consideration:

{Borrowed from my 12 baptisms "study"}: ONE of Israel's various washings! Greek: Baptismos = ( Hebrews 9:10):

4. Levitical priesthood baptism ( Exodus 29:4) ( Leviticus 8:6) ( Numbers 8:7). This washing was The Second Requirement { The First being: "NO blemish!" ( Leviticus 21:21) }, in order to become a priest under the Law of Moses! Is this baptism in any way connected To baptism # 9?:

9. "water" baptism of repentance that John preached (Before The Cross), And Peter continued (After The Cross!), to preach! ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25).

a) Does this baptism "save" anyone ( Luke 7:29-30?)?

b1) Is this baptism in any way "connected" to baptism # 4?

b2) Wasn't John preparing National Israel for God's Promise For them "to be a nation of priests unto God" ( Exodus 19:6!)?

b3) Was not The Second Requirement for priesthood induction, Washing? { may require re-review of baptism #4! }.

b4) Did not CHRIST And The Twelve "heal" everyone in Israel who came to them, in order to meet "The FIRST Requirement" For the priesthood, that Of "NO blemish!"? ( Matthew 4:24) ( Acts 5:16) compare: ( Leviticus 21:21)

More questions - to be continued

Clayton, Precious friend. Two things concerning "baptized to be saved":

(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6)

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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,

Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!

( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4)

( 1 Corinthians 12:13)

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Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

So, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

Mark, Precious friend, there is NO water baptism, today, Under God's GRACE. ie:

Does God Require water baptism, today? IF yes, then, we have to find out WHICH of the Many Various "denominational traditions" is the Correct one, Correct?

However, IF God Says "NO," as I believe All Scripture Shows below, then "yes" is OUT of the question, yes?:

"Summary study" on this Important Issue:

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6)

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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,

Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!

( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4)

( 1 Corinthians 12:13)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE OR, EQUALS TWO?

Is it not Possible That God's Answer Of "No water baptism, for us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely vanquishes the {Many Severely DIVIDED denominations?} Confusion into oblivion!? Also, "...we walk By FAITH, Not by sight..." ( 2 Corinthians 5:7) Amen?

Mark, Precious friend, Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

Gerald, my Precious friend, I'll take your question "2: How should we be baptized?" Better

is to first ask: Does God Require water baptism, today? IF yes, then find out "how."

IF not, then no need to find that out, Correct? Here is my "Summary study" on this Important Issue:

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli"priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6)

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B) WITHThe Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16) Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things ThatDiffer!:

Mystery/GRACE! =our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul WasNot Sent to water baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,Spiritually Identifying members Into The ONE Body Of CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) MYSTERY/GRACE! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONEOR, EQUALS TWO?

Is it not Possible That God'sAnswer Of "No water baptism, for us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely "Solves" theMany Severely DIVIDED denominations' Confusion!?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

Hi Jack. The blame that you place on the "Editors of the Bible" (or, translators), are actually in my mind, to their absolute credit for a very difficult tiring work.

Remember, they had to work through a lot of materiel, doing many comparisons against each other & of course, had to be proficient in those original languages. So, what we might see as a contradiction in the example you gave ( Acts 9:7 against Acts 22:9) because of our English words/expressions, could well be accurate by a direct translation from the original. If you check the word "voice" (as given in these verses) in the Greek, you'll find that it's the same word, "phonen". And that Gk. word is broad enough to have a meaning of: voice, sound, noise, language, applied to it. That being the case, the translators have understood that in Acts 9:7, those men heard a sound or noise but couldn't detect a language being spoken. They heard Saul talking as if into the air - they understood what he was saying, but all they heard in response was a sound.

Then please consider Deuteronomy 4:11-13. Again, the people who were gathered at the base of Mt. Sinai as Moses received the Decalogue, saw a burning mountain, thunderings, clouds & thick darkness (also Exodus 20:18). And out of that fiery mountain, the people heard "the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only (ye) heard a voice." (v12). Here, in Hebrew, the word for "voice" is 'qol', again meaning: a voice, a sound. We know that only Moses received God's Words directly which he conveyed to the people, so what then did the people hear & see?

Similarly, Acts 22:9 reveals the sound that they heard was only a sound - that the people with Saul couldn't decipher what they were hearing with any intelligible language. Paul understood as God gave him ears to hear & understand Him, but to the others, their ears were shut & they only heard noise. I hope that goes some way to sort out the confusion - if not to you, then to others.

Dianne,

Why can't you Godly to do good folks read and comprehend the post before you wag your finger. The EDITORS of the Bible confused tongues to make scriptures contradict each other. That practically ruins the joy for me. They denied me the right to read a pure Bible, the right to fully comprehend the Word of God.

Why scourge me, then say "God bless"? Righteous-self you want a sign, proof:

( Acts 9:7) And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

( Acts 22:9) And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

Do not defend that which is tainted by way of reasoning; a third grader could spot the error.

First Peter 3:15; "be ready also to give an answer" = Here, the word "answer" translates from the Greek noun root (transliterated "apologia"; pronounced "apo-log-EE-ah"), and from which, derives the English noun "apology."

This term originates the Christian Theological field of "Apologetics" of which a person, described as an "apologetic", defends True, Biblical Christianity with truths and proofs, which usually involve definitive and convincing arguments used to refute contradictions against it.

Compare the word "answer" to its synonymous expression "earnestly contend for the Faith which was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude v.3).

When using the same definition above, the Greek root "apologia" also translates into either "answer" or "defense" in the following references:

Luke 12:11-12;

Luke 21:14-15;

Acts 22:1ff;

Acts 24:10ff;

Acts 25:8 & 16;

Acts 26:1-2ff;

Philippians 7 & 17;

Second Timothy 4:15-16.

Rebirth Scriptures(Born Again): John 3:3 KJV., John 3:5-8 KJV., 2Cor. 5:17 KJV., Mark 16:16 KJV, Titus 3:5, Romans 6:4 KJV., 1Peter 3:21 KJV.

Acts 2:37-38 KJV., what Israel(Jews) must do. Acts 10:44:48 KJV., the Holy Spirit(Ghost) given to the Gentiles(Greeks). In verse. 8, Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord(Jesus Christ). Jews and Gentiles were baptized by water in the name of the Lord(Jesus Christ). Acts 15:5-9 KJV., question at issue(Gentiles being circumcised). In Verse 7 Peter is speaking Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. In Acts 2 Peter used the keys(Jesus gave him the keys in Matthew 16:19 KJV.) first for the Jews, and in Acts 10 second, in the house of Cornelius for the Gentiles)(but Paul was distinctively(plainly) the apostle of the Gentiles, Gal. 2:7,8).

Paul speaking( 1Corinthians 15:1-10). Not only being filled with the Holy Ghost, Saul/Paul was baptized with water in the name of the Lord(Jesus Christ).

Saul's/Paul's Conversion: Acts 9:17-19 KJV; Paul's Defense before the multitude: recounts his conversion. Acts 22:11-16; Paul's defense before Agrippa. Acts 26:9-18. In verse. 18, that they may receive forgiveness of sins( Romans 3:23)

1 Corinthians 3:5-8 KJV: 5. Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6. I(Paul) have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase(Holy Ghost) 7. So then neither is he that planteth anything, neither he that watereth, but God that giveth the increase(Holy Ghost). 8. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labor.

1 Timothy 1:1 KJV Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope. Think about this, what is the father's name on a Birth Certificate? What name is the child born into physically? See 1John5:1-20

KJV., being baptized in the name of (Jesus Christ): The Foundation

I believe that Matthew Henry was indicating that of the various discourses/sermons that are recorded in Acts, each of those messages is attributed to a particular individual & the message given according to the "occasion" that the speaker found himself in.

For example, Acts 2:14-36: the Apostle Peter is the preacher & his message was given to those who had heard what had happened at Pentecost & who wondered how these men could speak in their languages. Peter used that opportunity with all the Jews & others coming together in amazement at this news, to share God's Word to them & the Gospel.

Another example: Acts 22:1-21: the Apostle Paul is speaking to the chief captain of the guard & the people who gathered at Paul's arrest. His message was his testimony of his salvation & his calling. And as you know, there are many such examples of particular named speakers, their messages & the occasion of their proclamation.

Water baptism part 2.

Acts 22: 16:

Paul defense, testimony on trial telling the people; that he was baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Romans 6: 3, 4:

Paul says those that are saved have been baptized, buried in the name of Jesus.

Ephesians 5: 26:

Christ sanctify and cleanse His church with the washing of WATER by the word.

Colossians 2: 11, 12:

The circumcision of Christ takes place in water baptism.

Hebrews 9: 19, 20:

Our bodies are washed with pure water.

1 Peter 3: 20, 21:

In the days of Noah, 8 souls were saved by water. The like figure even BAPTISM ALSO NOW SAVES US.

In conclusion, water is used to separate you from sin, cut off the flesh to bring you into new covenant with Christ, the NEW BIRTH, BORN AGAIN OF WATER AND SPIRIT!

This was the continuation of water baptism part 1.

Acts 2:38:

Baptized in water for remission of sins to be saved. Jews first, then gentiles.

Note:

2: 41:

3000 souls were baptized to be obedient.

Acts 8: 36 - 39:

Philip baptized eunuch in water.

Acts 9:18:

Apostle Paul is baptized.

Acts 10: 47, 48:

Peter baptized Cornelius and his family.

Acts 18: 8:

Chief ruler of synagogue believed on the Lord(many with him) got baptized.

Acts 19: 1 - 6:

Paul baptized certain disciples in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 22: 16:

Paul defense/testamony on trial telling the people; that he was baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Romans 6: 3, 4:

Paul says those that are saved have been baptized/buried in the name of Jesus.

Ephesians 5:26:

Christ sanctify and cleanse His church with the washing of WATER by the word.

Colossians 2: 11, 12:

The circumcision of Christ takes place in water baptism.

Hebrews 9: 19, 20:

When Moses read the law to all the people, he took blood, water, hyssop, and sprinkled them with it, signifying God have enjoined them.

Hebrews 10: 22:

Our bodies are washed with pure water.

1 Peter 3: 20, 21:

In the days of Noah, 8 souls were saved by water. The like figure even BAPTISM ALSO NOW SAVES US.

In conclusion, water is used to separate you from sin/cut off the flesh to bring you into new covenant with Christ, the NEW BIRTH, BORN AGAIN OF WATER AND SPIRIT!

Are you saying, that as Stephen was being stoned to death (under Paul's supervision);

Jesus who is SEATED at the right hand of God, STOOD up as Steven died. Acts 7:55-56

The Bible says he's seated, but in this event He stood up... ? Anyone wanna bet that Steven did not descend to a place of holding. After this event, Paul was blinded, knocked off his horse, and questioned by Jesus, "why are you persecuting ME?!"

Acts 6:8

And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.

Acts 6:9

Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.

Acts 7:59

And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my SPIRIT.

Acts 8:2

And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.

Acts 11:19

Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

Acts 22:20

And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also (Saul) was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him.

There's is no doubt that Stephens spirit is in heaven now.

Note: Acts 5:29-33

Mishael

The Bible does not stand as a perfect or scientific document. Just speaking on KJV 1611, it is a sloppy manuscript, littered with topical flaws, contradictions and inconsistencies. To even notice the errors, you would have to read corresponding passages over and over, and over to compare and patch them together like a game of "concentration".

One example for the thick is Paul on his way to Damascus:

Acts 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

Acts 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

So, what is it, huh? Did they hear the voice or not? I can do this all day with hundreds of verses that infuriate me.

As far as the earths shape is concerned, it is definitely spherical, like the other planets/moons. Though they reach for the stars, I will bring them down to the pit. Amos 9:2 LEO, 400 miles up is our limit, then we hit the firmament hard, keeping mankind "in". Space programs like governments are shrouded in mystery, deception, lies and fraud. NASA could prove the earths shape, but prefer to stoke the division of uncertainty. Did you see earths curvature last year when SpaceX posted the mission video? What about the earth casting a "round" shadow on the moon during an eclipse? Plato and Socrates saw the curved shadow and determined the earth was round.

For fun, Google "They're Alive!! Challenger Crew Found Alive and Well 30 years since the Disaster". The hoaxter astronauts didn't even bother to change their names!!!

Apparent error in some modern N.T. 1 Cor. 11:1-16 : Paul had the complex role of helping new believers adapt their understanding to the new life in Jesus, from the OT system. I believe this is Paul answering some of their questions to him. 1 Cor.7:1. Let's determine to stay with Paul and study his letter as a whole, rather than promote the error of some altered Bibles.

The word "Ordinances" in our v,2 is defined in this letter in ch,2:2, which tells that these ordinance were Jesus Christ an him crucified, not about stuff which was for the daughters of the first Adam. Nevertheless, for believers, it otherwise, being "In the Lord" (v.11)

The original word for "Head" in our v. 3, is commonly used as, "source or supply, like the head of a river, also translated "Sum" in Acts 22:28.

Our v.10, in the original, has no reference to wearing a symbol, but simply says, she shall have power" on (which is defined "jurisdiction, right, privilege, on or over head" because she has angels ministering to her. (see Heb.1:14 )

In our v.16, The original word for "Custom" is defined "An established practice" and must refer to the practices which only the daughters of the first Adam adhere to, not those "In the Lord."

Exactly, one can not just believe for salvation. That is a demonic religion.

We must Hear the word of God Roman's 10:17, Believe it John 8 :24, Repent Luke 13:3, Confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, Matthew 10:32-33, Be baptized fir the remission of our sins, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Mark 16:6, and live faithful and obedient. Matthew 10:22, Rev.2:10.

Hi Rich,

My pastor said that the most important thing to bear in mind is that scripture interprets scripture and that the context is important too. He said that the scripture's that I showed him are often misunderstood, and don't mean what I think they mean. He said that salvation cannot be lost, just like God's promises cannot be broken. I think the fact that I have not been baptised yet and that I am the only Christian in my family is also adding to my uncertainty. It says in

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

I think the fact that nobody from my church believes that that the spiritual gifts like speaking in tongues are for all Christians, and that those gifts were only for Jesus disciples. The church that I went to previously had a number of people that speak in tongues, so because I disagree with that, I just feel unsure if he is wrong about these scriptures too.

Also, I am sure that I have read that we can no longer sin once we have been saved, yet I have used curse words a few times and taken the name of the Lord are God in vain since becoming a Christian mostly in my head, but also out loud on a few occasions.

Bob Hilt, Peter is illiterate so how could he write a book?.....The most probable cause that Peter had a book is that Paul wrote those books to nullify his claim and serve as a badge of his apostleship.....Now, in Acts 22:9 Paul claims that when he spoke to Jesus, those traveling with him "saw the light," but "they heard not the voice." While in Acts 9:7 those who were with Paul are claimed to have "stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man."....Can you see his lies now?...