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The family that prays together stays together

Wikipedia states Patrick Peyton, CSC (9 January 1909 - 3 June 1992), also known as "the Rosary priest", was an Irish-born Catholic priest of the Congregation of Holy Cross, and founder of the Family Rosary Crusade. He popularized the phrases "The family that prays together stays together" and "A world at prayer is a world at peace."

This is news to me I thought it was Billy Graham who came up with that adage. The second verse certainly applies today about a world at prayer. Anyway I may not agree with Catholic theology but I'll call out a truth where I see it. I won't get into stats here but apparently there is much truth to statistics proving the cohesion of marriages involving prayer and it is no wonder.

It seems some prayers but only a few are answered very quickly. If we remain in an attitude of prayer and meditate day and night on His Word no doubt we will learn to recognize His handiwork with people and situations that are His answer to prayer.

There may be some situations where we learn His ways in regard to difficult situations. I think of the widow who Elijah came up to the widow in 1 Kings 17. God directed this but it seemed pretty obnoxious of him to ask for water and food first when the woman was prapering her last meal before death for her and her son. But God apparently assured Him of provision; for those who were with the prophet were also to be blessed. When we get to verse 20 it is interesting Elijah's prayer And he cried unto the Lord, and said, O Lord my God, hast thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her son? He then did a sort of mouth to mouth and the child revived. Interestingly we see a similar event in 2 Kings 4:34 along with a story earlier of miraculous provision by Elisha this time. Somehow God hid the meaning from Elisha as to her desperate emotional state until she spoke. She knew where to go to get results.

Christ the Perfect Man; Day 4 Part 2 Cana Wedding

It is unclear in my mind exactly when this occurred; it was the first miracle where Christ did something publicly at least. It is brought up by some that Mark 3 shows how some of the Disciples such as Matthew came up later; so this is likely an informal group or part of the original 12 that were actually invited to this event. My aim here is to list things roughly chronological; to put all the pieces together based on the 4 Gospels in perfect order is something for another study.

In studying this yesterday in church even my Pastor couldn't figure out exactly what Jesus meant "before the time" in John 2:4.

Again this would seem to be before He did any public miracles but certainly that soon followed within weeks or a few months of His 3.5 year ministry. The uniqueness of providing something that wasn't a necessity of this miracle could be at play here too.

Nonetheless I am sure Jesus had God's approval to do this; and His miracle reminds me of the miraculous provision for the widow mentioned in 2 Kings 4:1-7. These were huge stone pots and at least 100 GALLONS of wine were made; enough no doubt to sell for years to come. It is interesting that all of His miracles mentioned of feeding the thousands were outside; an in fact most of His healing miracles were outdoors as well; He was summoned to the homes normally of certain wealthy men of important status.

It appears from Matthew 4 that after He was tempted in the desert; He called at least some of His Disciples and started doing miracles. The temptation in Matthew 4 was a standard 40 days period as we see Moses also fasted actually TWICE for that time (no mention if he ate anything in between after the rebellion occurred). Nonetheless it was the total trust in the Spirit that allowed for Him to get through it and scripture being deep within as the one offensive weapon against Satan. I believe I mentioned this already; so off to Matthew 5.

The three harvest.

1. Barley , Jesus Christ

Ruth 1:22

So Naomi returned, and Ruth the Moabitess, her daughter in law, with her, which returned out of the country of Moab: and they came to Bethlehem in the beginning ofbarleyharvest.

2 Kings 4:42

And there came a man from Baalshalisha, and brought the man of God bread of the firstfruits, twenty loaves ofbarley, and full ears of corn in the husk thereof. And he said, Give unto the people, that they may eat.

2. Wheat , Second Coming

John 12:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn ofwheatfall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

1 Samuel 6:13

And they of Bethshemesh were reaping theirwheatharvest in the valley: and they lifted up their eyes, and saw the ark, and rejoiced to see it.

Matthew 13:30

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather thewheatinto my barn

3. Grapes , Wrath of God

Revelation 14:18

And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for hergrapesare fully ripe.

Isaiah 5:2

And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forthgrapes, and it brought forth wildgrapes.

Mark 15:23

And they gave him to drinkwinemingled with myrrh: but he received it not.

Matthew 26:29

But I say unto you, I will notdrinkhenceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when Idrinkit new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

To follow up the last response in answer to your final question. "The Unpardonable Sin" is simply Denial of the Holy Spirit/ Jesus The Christ/ God our Heavenly Father above.

Godspeed

1Corinthians 13:12, yes, it says ._. "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

There seems to be scriptures that sort of suggest that it's possible. John 11, Hebrews 12:1, following from Hebrews 11, Mark 9:2-4, Matthew 17:1-3, 1Samuel 28:15-19,

We will all give account, Matthew 25:31-46, Romans 14:12, Philippians 2:1-16, Deuteronomy 5:11, Exodus 20:7, Mark 9:39, Matthew 12:31, in context Matthew 12.

God is not The God of the dead but of the living: Matthew 22:32, Psalms 139, John 3:16, hopefully these help answer your questions

Will we be known in heaven as we are known here on earth, can people see their loved ones down here on earth that are in heaven. And what is the unpardonable sin.

Hello Cynthia. You'll find this account in 2 Kings 4:8-37 & specifically verse 10 (about 'making a little chamber'). However, in this verse, 'making' probably doesn't refer to some special building work being done to create a room, rather, a case of 'providing & preparing' an existing small enclosed area of the building (that's fast against the wall & part of the wall) so that Elisha could reside. In some homes in the eastern culture, there's usually a room at the entrance of a house where guests come in, sit, & converse. Guests/visitors usually are not permitted to go further into the home, which is reserved only for family & relatives. This may be a similar situation that we see here in Shunem.

ive got to believe God as my source ,

2 Kings 4:1 Certain woman of the wives of the sons of the profits. what is the meaning

Hi Haold, or maybe, Harold. That's a difficult question to answer, as we are not told an exact number of people resurrected. Some that come to mind from the Old & New Testaments are: Widow of Zarephath's son ( 1 Kings 17:9-24); Shunammite woman's son ( 2 Kings 4:8-37); an unnamed man ( 2 Kings 13:20,21); Widow of Nain's son ( Luke 7:11-17); Jairus' daughter ( Luke 8:49-56); Lazarus ( John 11:1-45); of course, our Lord Jesus Christ (Luke chapter 24); an unknown number of saints buried in Jerusalem ( Matthew 27:50-54); Tabitha ( Acts 9:36-42); Eutychus ( Acts 20:7-12).

Hi Gigi Sorry this may come through twice not sure anyway, my understanding of operation of word of wisdom is our inner man communicating with our mind on the action to take in a situation to achieve Gods outcome the manifestation of that is the display or the outcome. In 2 Kings 4:32 elisha went into the house and the child was dead. First action prayed or ask God whats up next word of knowledge what to do and how to do it word of wisdom which is verse 34, notice the detail incredible then next verse 35 paced around the house to receive more info because the child wasn't complete yet, next again information on what to do and how to do it precisely stretched himself upon the child and the child sneezed seven times[ side note seven biblically spiritual perfection] verse 36 called for the woman and gave her son back. Everything was in order and Glorified God and the recipient and the giver. Also there are times when God may tell you to remove all unbelievers out in a situation. Prayerfully this helps

Hi Don It had nothing to do with what he fed them it had everything to do with following Gods instructions and seeing the results. It is a great example of receiving information or instruction from God its like when the children of Israel marched around Jericho seven times then blew trumpets and down came a wall. By the five senses natural mind it doesn't make senses but they followed the man of Gods instructions and got Gods deliverance. Throughout Gods word when people listened to men of God believed and acted they always got deliverance. When the man of God Elisha in 2 Kings 4:1-7 ask a widow what can I do for you, she explained she was broke and he gave her specific instructions and she did them and got Gods deliverance. He ask her yo do something that made no sense but she obeyed. In the gospels this happened many times between Jesus Christ and the disciples where he ask them to do something that by the senses made no senses but he walked by the spirit and knew God would always meet the need.

And it fell on a day, that Elisha passed to Shunem, where was a great woman; and she constrained him to eat bread. And so it was, that as oft as he passed by, he turned in thither to eat bread. ( 2 Kings 4:8)

A Shunammite is a person dwelling in Shunem.

In Bible days, men wore robes or gowns. When they fought or ran, they had to gird up their loins ( 2 Kings 4:29, 9:1; and 1 Peter 1:13). This was done by tucking their robes into their girdles, or what we would call belts, Therefore, Paul was saying that truth is the belt that allows us to fight without being entangled in our garments. Those who do not surround themselves with truth will become entangled in their own webs of deceit and will fall.

Please remember that we can always stand on God's Word because it is the truth ( John 17:17) and never forget that Jesus will always be: the Way, the Truth, and the Life. ( John 14:6)

Resurrection means, a person who has died has his body (or, remains) physically raised from the grave without any human contribution, i.e. the body rises up & comes to life by God's Power.

In that passage you've quoted, Jesus was speaking with the Sadducees (a religious sect of the Jews) who didn't believe in the resurrection. They wanted to test Jesus about the after life as to which wife of the many a man had married, would be his wife when they all rose from the dead. Jesus told them that human marriage is an earthly union & such marriages don't figure in Heaven. Of those who were resurrected, we of course have Jesus Himself Who rose up from the dead & ascended back to God proving that His Sacrifice for mankind's sins were completed & fully acceptable to God Who had planned for this to happen. Then after Jesus' resurrection, many of those righteous people who had died earlier also arose from their graves & walked among the people (see Matthew 27:51-53).

The Bible tells us that the next occasion of a resurrection will be in the future when Jesus comes to take away His people including raising up His people who have died ( 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) & note the word 'sleep' is a euphemism for those who've already died. And again, after the Great Tribulation (a horrible time of the outpouring of God's Anger upon the world) there will be another general resurrection (read Revelation chapter 20).

There are also instances where someone has died & they have come to life in the Old Testament: 1 Kings 17:17-24; 2 Kings 4:32-37; 2 Kings 13:21 and we have instances in the New Testament of people being brought back to life by Jesus or His disciples.

Cheryl,

I'm Looking at Hebrews 11:35. It says women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:



Women received their dead raised to life again?



I have some references to share with you where God did did some miraculous things to restore their children to back to them. Read 1 Kings 17:23 and 2 Kings 4:36-37.

Hebrews 11:35 goes on to say: And others, and by the way, the word others, because there are two main words in Greek, one means others of the same kind, and one means others of a different kind.



This is others of the same kind. The reason why that's important is because the others by faith experienced all these conquests.



But others of the same kind of people didn't. And it was all by faith.



And others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:



They didn't value the survival of their life, but they were tortured and put to death, and by faith they looked to a better resurrection.

Remember also in the New Testament that Lazarus was raised from the dead.

Thank you for the web and the comments it's really eye opening

What is the significance of the meal or the symbolic application of the meal healing the men from the death in the pot?

To go to Heaven, earthy creatures must be resurrected. 1 Corinthians 15:42. The bible mentions a number of resurrections. 1 Kings 17:17-24 2 Kings 4:32-37 13:20-21 Luke 7:11-15 8:41-42 49-56 John 11:38-44 Acts 9:36-42 20:7-12 However, everyone of them involved humans, not animals.

When you operate in your gift others around you will reap the benefits. Notice, the prophet spent time studying the Word of God. He had a relationship with God. It was a direct line to hear what God had to say and execute.

he shunamite woman positive confession of faith brought he needed miracle of life o her dead child. Men of God are meant o be problem solvers like Elisha. His life brought joy to the widow the indebted husband, joy to the barren and joy to the sons of the prophet by taking death from the pot. Always put your faith in God and you will never be disappointed

God is manifesting Himself through Elisha who has received double portion of his master Elijah's anointing.

I love this lesson because once had no children and I told the lord I wanted children like all my friends and the prophet told me I would be the mother of many children. They told me I would have a son and it would not be long from now. They said soon will go to the doctor and he might just tell you that you are pregnant right now. I went to the doctor and he confirmed I was indeed pregnant.

CommentThe woman exercised faith by runing to the prophet and answering him that all was well while it was not so. and Gpd raised her son acording to her pronoucement. God of Elija is great.

I believe that in Christ Jesus, I've received this grace, this anointing,

We should be faithful before the lord always

Our LORD is very steadfast in His character and doings that in every thing He does, Life is certain! Only for a little season debt reigned in the son of the prophets's family; only for a little while did the food in the pot remain bitter; only for a few hours did the Shunamite's son remain dead. The moment the power of God becomes active via faith in us as was seen in Elijah's, everything bows!

Why did he called him

The woman in this chapter took care of the prophet of God and received a prophet's reward.
She was blessed abundantly.

TOPIC: Is Your Family Alive And Well? 2King 4:24-27 24Then she saddled an **, and said to her servant, Drive, and go forward slack not thy riding for me, except I bid thee. 25 So she went and came unto the man of God to mount Carmel. And it came to pass, when the man of God saw her afar off, that he said to Gehazi his servant, Behold, yonder is that Shunammite: 26 Run now, I pray thee, to meet her, and say unto her, Is it well with thee? is it well with thy husband? is it well with the child? And she answered, It is well. 27 And when she came to the man of God to the hill, she caught him by the feet: but Gehazi came near to thrust her away. And the man of God said, Let her alone for her soul is vexed within her: and the LORD hath hid it from me, and hath not told me.