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Revelation 1:8 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Yes, God bless.

Hi Eric,

They keep turning back to what they came out of,

to what was natural to them.

They were being commanded to turn from their natural, sinful, fallen nature, but they couldn't, just like we can't.

The heart of man is incurable.

But keep reading, There's help on the way!!!

Amen Sacha.... You give glory to God, not the devil.

Thank you for leading me to this passage again. Lately I had been looking at myself too much, sad that I have seemed

to accomplish so little for the Lord, I am no great evangelist, not even a good one, I live a very ordinary life, nothing

really spiritual or religious at all about it. I have a job that pays very little comparatively speaking, but I love it, I work

with kids in the public school, help them get through "the system." Last year I had the opportunity to teach, but it proved too much for me. I went back to being a helper. But so often, I wish I could be a better witness

for Christ...... The discrepancy inside me breaks my heart in two sometimes, how strong is his love inside, but how little I have to show for it. Then I read 1 Corinthians 13, and am reminded, it is not about all that I DO for God, it is about His love abiding in my heart, just being with Him, and loving him, and being near Him. Wow, that really helped me today. Thank you.

Romans 5:7-9 came to mind for me. It doesn't answer your question directly, but indirectly....

that a "good" man will not know the Lord's salvation if his goodness is his own. It is knowledge of our

sins and our sinful nature that opens us to call out for Jesus Christ and his salvation. Otherwise we remain dead in our "good" works, though to the world we may appear important, powerful or saintly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

That is amazing, that a tiny word can change a whole meaning. Thank you so much, your work and research

has handed me a gem today. What searchless riches are ours in the WORD. And yet, "seek and ye shall find"

even greater riches! May the Lord bless you today for your efforts..... I feel such joy at His Kingdom expanding!

Oh Eric ! You have hit the nail on the head ! The desire to have power over others is a very dangerous trait that many of us have at one time or another in our lives ,in my congregation we are not permitted to be police officers ,prison officers ,debt collectors ,military personel or in volved in politics at any level ,power corrupts and we are all susceptable to sin so we must be aware of our own weekness and keep out of situations that might encourage our sinfull nature to get the better of us ,Jesus had sooo much power but he was always gentle ,always thinking of his followers safety ,i believe that was one of the reasons he would tell people he had healed not to go around broadcasting it ,he was afraid the Jewish elders would target those who he had healed and he was right ! The Jewish PRIESTS priests ! Wanted to kill Lazarus ! We need to know our own faults and weeknesses in order to keep out of situations in life where we might succumb to them .

Dan, I wonder whether you're thinking of 1 Peter 4:18. And there is also 1 Corinthians 3:15 but this speaks about a believer's (dead) works are burned up though he himself is saved.

read every day 1 Cor 13

since the greatest commandment and the second commandment is telling us to love.

Shame Shame on those that turn. We are all susceptible to this. We must stay with the Lord to not go astray.

It's funny how quickly they turn to evil and not hearken to the prophet who warned them. I wonder if it is like if someone would win the lottery and that itself would change the person? Power that changes one?

Thanks Sacha, we're fine, enjoy your exercise.

Jerry. part 3.

Romans 3:19-28. Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

2 Corinthians 3:6-11. Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

God bless you.

Jerry. part 2.

If you are thinking we are grafted in by keeping the Law you are mistaking, you are missing the point in Romans 11.

Romans 11:20. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

You are expecting to be grafted into a branch that has been broken off!

I'm not sure if you are implying salvation comes by keeping the 10 commandments, if you are the bible don't state that.

Galatians 3:16-26. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

We're not grafted into Israel. Israel is a branch. We're grafted into the vine to bare fruit.

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. John 15:1.

Jacqueline, you can type the word (using both the singular & plural) in the Search the Bible Box on the Site's main page to see how often the word is used in the KJV.

Heard this thought today. Niceness is good but can be limited because it is often self protecting. To come closer in any kind of relationship, including with God we cannot come defended, we must come with our vulnerabilities exposed.

Jerry

i don't see anywhere in this tread where someone said the the sabbath was moved to Sunday, in fact we Adam said made it clear "Sounds like gathering on the first day ( Acts 20:7) of the week to worship is being confused with observing the Sabbath." in other words we're not saying that.

We're saying they gathered on the 1st day of the week.

following Christ is a 24/7 lifestyle that the Holyspirit moves you to do, not the 10 commandments, so yes Saturday is a Holy Day and so is the other 6 days. I also don't see where I or anyone said the 10 commandments was abolished, but I gave you Colossians 2:14-17 (KJV) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

What Paul is saying here is what he said in Romans 7:9.For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And Romans 8:3. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

And where did we judge you?

Romans 14:4. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

GOD BLESS

Hi Lauren,

I'd be happy to look into that for you. As I understand how it kind of looks a little backwards in that it is us who need Salvation not God.

First I looked in to the Greek word for Salvation. It is the word "soteria" G4991 with some definitions of "deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation , rescue". That checked out. As there was one variation between Textus Receptus versions I'll post at the end which didn't really answer anything as the differences are minor.

I believe I found why the verse is a little off in the translation. I found this by going over the "article or adverb" right after the word Salvation. As the translation from Greek to English removes a lot of the adverbs and puts them all together. What I found was the one adverb G3588 used five times in the Greek, though only twice in English as "the", was actually three different Greek words in this one verse of Revelation 7:10. So using a translator I took that article right after Salvation and what I got was "of the". That gave me the answer we were looking for as Salvation "of" the one sitting upon the throne. Is what it should be and it is correct in the Greek. That's the best I could do as you noted another little flaw in the translation. Really no big deal as we know Salvation is of God not "to" Him. Though as you noticed It could be confusing to some.

The one variant of the Textus Receptus that did not fully support this verse is the Stephanus. It reads "Salvation to him which sitteth upon the throne of our God, even unto the Lamb" instead of "Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb." Though it still uses "Salvation to him" so it has the same little flaw.

That was a very good question Lauren and I always enjoy looking over the Scriptures to find details.

God Bless.

Praise God! I can't read even a brief comment on this topic without

shouting inside for joy..... Blessings!

Hi Chris ,i believe the Jews knew who Jesus was ,Mth ch 11 v2-5 ,there are lots of other verses to indicate they knew who he was ,the common people heard him gladly but the leaders didnt want to let go of their power and authority ,when Jesus is dying on the cross and he asks God to forgive them as they know not what they do ,i believe he is talking about the roman soldiers not the Jews .All things were done and accomplished exactly as God wanted them to be ,the only sign that the Jews kept asking for was the one thing Jesus wouldnt or couldnt yet do which was to restore the Kingdom to Israel ,that is yet to come ,thats what the leaders kept asking for even though Jesus did many awesome and beautiful things in their sight which they knew only God or the promised Messiah could have done .They wanted him to rid Israel of the romans and if he wasnt going to do that they werent interested in him .

You may be right Cowboy ,even if you are i shall not be afraid because...i know that my redeemer liveth ,He knows me and whatever happens He is mine and i am His . I shall not be afraid of what man can do to me .

Patty ,thankyou so much ,that was lovely ,you are a star ,keep on shining !

Jim,

Through Jesus dying on the cross, He destroyed the power of Satan to hold people in the bondage of death.



In 1 John Chapter 3 Verse 8, he that committeth sin is of the devil. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.



The word destroy in 1 John 3:8 means to unloose, unbind, untie.



So basically, Jesus came to destroy the work of the devil, and loosen, and unbind, and set people free from being underneath his influence and being a slave to sin.

Hi Ron ,it may also be worth noticing that the veil in the temple was ripped from the top downwards ,thus exposing the fact that the ark of the covenant was not there and hadnt been there for a long time .

In view of the words of the Psalmist under the influence of God's Holy Spirit, why do Gentiles dare attempt to interpret Scripture and set up seminary schools? Is it not clear they are not qualified to do this work? This work belongs to Israel.

The next question we are faced with is: "Who is the true Jew?" Why?

Because Christ told us there are imposters posing as Jews. ( Rev 2:9 & 3:9) This truth imposes upon us the task of identifying the true Jew. Here is a clue for the searchers of truth: Read Deuteronomy 28:15-68 and ask yourself: Who do I know that has gone experienced these 'curses'?

Yes, the truth is often stranger than fiction...Shalom.

Don, yes we see in ( Hebrews 9:6-14) With this, it shows Jesus went in once and anointed the Holy of Holies not made with hands. Jesus repaired the dwelling place and made it possible for God through the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus to dwell in us. If we look at verse 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing. Remember when Jesus cried out and said it was finished. He gave up the ghost, the veil of the temple was rent in half and God left the temple made with hands, the service in the temple made by hands was over, and soon in that generation, it would be physically gone and may never be again. The animal sacrifices that never covered sin ended on the cross.

Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well of this very thing, the hour was coming and it did. The temple worship will no longer be where God would be worshiped and later on the temple would not even be there. (John4:21-24)

Only my opinion, this is the place in John 14, Jesus went to prepare for us, on the cross, mansion (dwelling place) Strong's 3438. mon, Definition: an abiding, an abode. God dwelt in the garden of Eden with Adam but was demolished with sin. Now since the cross, the body of a believer is the dwelling place. Jesus's sacrifice and anointing of the Holy of Holies in heaven, God could send the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus to dwell, abode in us. The law is written in our hearts, not on paper.



1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

God bless, Ron

Richard, That is an interesting phrase from Revelation 7:9-10, "Salvation to our God, which sitteth upon the throne...." as we almost exclusively hear of "salvation for sinners," not to our God. Any comment? Thank you for all you share!

Many Blessings, Lauren

Amen my sister! Just coming across that vision from Esdras the other night. It also parallels with John's vision in Revelation 7:9-10.

Peace and Blessing be upon you.

HEB. 2:14 says that Jesus destroyed the devil. Is that literal ? Is it the seed of the serpent that we fight against?

God is good