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It's in the Bible. It's hard to find it. You have to have the King Kong of reference Bible. Center of each page reference columns.

Start in Genesis and follow the reference (a-b-c) notes in the center page to other scriptures; and on and on. List them in a notebook, and show the break-off to other scriptures. There's little nuggets of Genesis tucked all over. Info expanding time, force, action, matter. The Nible actually says God turned the earth UPSIDE DOWN. there's a keyword.

Earth was 3 billion years old before Genesis 1:1.

Scientists have proven with space study and vehicles that all planets show evidence as all having water at one time. They see the ocean and lake beds. Only Earth has water. Facts.

Only Earth has gravity, an ozone layer to protect us from dangerous rays.

ALL things are held together by the WORD OF HIS POWER. Everything is for life and happiness.

Everything we know and see; fig up out of the earth; carbon date, go banana's over: we're placed there by God because of Romans 1. So we could only prove the existence of God. If we fail to do that; we are WITHOUT EXCUSE (on judgment day)

It takes MORE intelligence just to believe God purposed all this; the Word spoke it into existence and the Holy Spirit performed it.

I don't argue stuff the Holy Spirit taught me. I log many hours sitting in a closet with Him_ asking for Light. Email Him.

I stay focused with a sure point of reference. 2 Peter 3. The earth is heating up for the firey end of everything. I don't know about y'all but I can't wait to see what happens next!

Prairie chickens only see what's on the ground, like grasshoppers. The eagle flys way up by the clouds looking for a meal. The prairie chickens never see what hit them. I love that story.

Precept for Rev 12:5 is Mathew 2:13, That's the Red Dragon the bible speaks.

Deuteronomy 30:1-7

Has this prophecy come already?

Very well said. It would be so great to all go out street preaching!!!! Oh to be 20 yrs younger :/

I love you all. We're familyJesus's bros and sisters! HAPPIER NEW YEAR.

Straight KJV Bible and a 3 inch wide Strongs Concordance. Mine smells so good I lay on it. Thank God the cat can't talk.

I've told this before, but I see new faces.

I was saved out of Astrology. I was practicing and as a result " serving Satan." After I was saved, I had demonic beings try to scare me to death. Sometimes every day

I would go to a church that would "cast out the demons" before church started. Demons would say, "YOU better come with us!" I would hold on to my chair white-knuckled. One day, a Baptist !!! Gave a word of knowledge about me. Like the woman at the well. I was born again, Spirit filled; but I wasn't healed. Boy did I get healed!

A month later I was to be BAPTIZED IN WATER at my request. I was drawing "a line in the sand". No more demonic attacks! This was me saying I belong to Jesus Christ and no other. He is MY LORD forever.

I was able to read the Bible and understand everything. I tuned out the noise of the world, and asked the Holy Spirit to teach me EVERYTHING. No holds barred I asked the Lord to erase all the memory of stars, planets and geometrical aspects. Take it out of me. He did. It's cool kind of amnesia.

I Needed to honor My Lord by being water baptized. I wanted the slate clean. If they had refused I woulda gone somewhere else.

Do not discourage people like me who need to make a public statement (to creepy demons) that I'm doing this for me, in the sight of Jesus, for the glory of God.

6 weeks later, I'm in with a bunch of street evangelists. God called me. It's lasted 36 years. One on one, cold contact, door to door, dropping tracts outside Goodwill and Home Depot :D

If people came in here to find the God that offers Salvation, WHAT will they see? Where is the fruit of the Holy Spirit_ the patience of our Lord Jesus?

Job1_try to remember that Satan stealthily stalks his victims. He's a watcher. Always looking for an opening to cause the brethren to erupt in controversy. My experience: he's vile, violent, murderous heart, steals joy and peace; adores riots (look in our streets).

Discern the spirits.

I see by understanding Bible's teaching, and the comunion with God through The Holy Spirit, and by faith on Jesus's intercetion, that most psalms apply to The Messiah as The second Adam and simultaneously God's Begotten Son. Meaning by that, Who is The messiah and what woud hapen to Him as man, entirely submited to Gosd and dependent on Holy Spirit's Power and protection to resist devil's tentation and seduction lies. Jesus resist using divine Power as sugested by satan. Jesus goes ahead of us, his disciples, and commands : Follow Me, and where I wil go, shall you go, as I am wil you become, what I do shall you do also, and even on a larger scale, into all the world. I send my disciples into the world, men like me, as I am David's son. Christ's total and perfect manwhood, andjustice, from a sinless life, is the ground that allows God, to save us, as He ressurected His Begotten Son, after the aknowledgement of the 24 Elders council, in heaven!

1 Timothy Chapter 6

18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Amen, I agree with your points. We wrestle with the flesh and can even resist obeying God, whether that's pride, stubbornness, or another stronghold. Satan works in tiny increments, so a tiny resistance one day, might grow into a larger resistance another day, and can keep growing into total disobedience and even rejection of the faith. Just like sin is a slippery slope with the tinest little compromise justified for various false reasons, then another, and in time someone can end up in a place they never expected, because they were deceived and believed a lie. The same old tricks by the evil one. We're called to keep our armor of God on, and be on watch and on guard, and keep each other accountable and keep our faith and trust in God. God bless...

Tony,

I'd like to also share with you my perspective on Luke 17:9-10.

In Luke 17:9, Jesus says " Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him?"Jesus said, I think not.

Verse 10: So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.



So if you ever get into a position, a mind frame or an attitude in life that you think that things are going wrong and that God owes you, just remember that when we serve Him day and night, we are only doing what He asked us to do. It is not a bonus.

Then He says we are unprofitable servants.



The Greek word for unprofitable is useless. Useless! At our best in our human effort we are useless. But when God gives us the faith He does great things. But you see it's not to our credit. It is what God does through us, and if God works through us all day and all night, that is all to His credit. If we did it, we'd just be unprofitable servants only doing the minimum.

Anyway, that's what I understand this to be saying!

GiGi.

Again you are arguing the wrong narrative.

If not you haven't supplied any scripture supporting you MUST be water baptized to be saved!!

However

We see the transition starting with John the baptist as the for runner.

Matthew 3:8-11.

John's baptism was the baptism of repentance. what was it they needed to turn from? Judaism!!

How did he baptize? With water!

Was it for salvation? No he was preparing the way for salvation. Matthew3:9. Suggest their confidence was in being children of Abraham and the seal of circumcision.

Verse 10 " The axe is laid at the root!!

There goes the degenerate vine, on comes the true vine or genuine vine. One Jews and Gentiles will be joined to. now we see a transition taken place. They were Identified with Judaism by circumcision, now they are to be Identified to Christ by baptism. And to express there belief by water baptism as the Jews did by circumcision.

Then comes Jesus to be baptized by John. For salvation? YES, OURS!!

He was to fulfill all righteousness!

He was Identifying with all who would come to him. He was going to bare our sins on the cross.

GiGi. There has never been a tread where I said I believe a Christian shouldn't be baptized.

I'VE SAID IT WASN'T FOR SALVATION.

Arkieguide The only evidence of what was alive before on the current earth we live on is fossils and the best of

scientific minds are guessing. Then there is how old is the earth, no one really knows but what Gods Word says

does fit. Its Gen. 1:1 in the beginning it doesn't matter when that was it's still in the beginning. God answers are always

uncomplicated and true.

S. Spencer Brother I agree because the definition of Grace is Divine [UNMERITED FAVOR] God to man.

Before law Noah found GRACE or favour in the eyes of God. God favoured Abraham Isaac Jacob before the law

then to give his adopted children Israel direction in print he gave the Law all over 400 of them and then still needed

sacrifice for breaking fellowship or sinning and it was displayed via the senses a sacrifice. Now we have the eternal

sacrifice given Jesus Christ and the eternal unmerited gift given when believed holy spirit and forgiveness when we

verbally confess our broken fellowship and of course mean it.

Tim With all due respect biblically we are not in the tribulation period because the Church has not been raised up

yet and that's when the tribulation begins.

Edwin No reason for ambassadors because everything will be perfect!

Gigi Who is the author of disorder and confusion and every evil work is the answer, its not not the God and

father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

What does the Bible say about use of medicines or vaccines or consuming anything unclean or unhealthy into our bodies that may alter it.

S. Spencer I'm with you on this because under Paul's ministry to the gentiles and in the church epistles water

baptism is not specified but baptism is stated and when you work the word baptise which can mean a pouring over

with water dipped in water or complete and internal cleansing spiritual. In Acts 9:17+18 when Paul was called out

the word baptised is internal and water is never mentioned. This action was given at the end of the law under John

the baptist ministry to prepare Israels hearts for the messiah before pentecost the spiritual birthday of the church. That

being said I have not apposed to it but getting the Job done Requires Romans 10:9+10 in the age of Grace according

to Paul's epistles.

requires Romans 10:9+10

You're welcome.

God bless you and Happy New Year.

Sorry spencer, you are assuming a lot of things about me and my thinking on this matter. Like I said in the last post. I don't wish to re-hash, so I am bowing out of this conversation. If anyone wants to know more of what I have said, then they can go back a few weeks to see what was spoken about this topic then. I think I am very consistent in my thinking.

Then again, I do not find any scriptural support for your assertion that the church was in a transitional period and that somehow baptism in water ceased to be the norm for new converts. That is far from the truth as evidenced by historical documents kept by the early church and the practice throughout history. I also think that it is erroneous to put up such a view of Paul's commission to not baptize, but preach the gospel as being the normative for the apostles, disciples, and elders who served the church and the only acceptable practice among the churches. He was an evangelist, not an elder, bishop or overseer. One plants, another waters, and the Lord gives the increase.

Well said Grace!!

Great Link!!

God bless.

GiGi in that case apparently show should have bypass this one because This topic was whether water baptism was required for salvation or not. NOTHING ELSE!!

It expressed using the term correctly.

I agree that the apostles new exactly what the Lord had them to do, But sorry I believe you are gravely in error of what that was. And Paul said Jesus ( Sent him not to baptize) But to preach the Gospel!!

1 Corinthians 1:17. You have to be consistent in your view. You expresses Matthew 28:19. BUT PAUL SAYS HE SENT HIM NOT TO BAPTIZE. And the scripture doesn't say anyone baptized for him..

If Paul would have been the Apostles to the Jews he would have been commissioned to baptize as well.

He would have been involved in this transition.

But this was not a commandment defined the way the commandment is defined in the ten commandments. To command as mentioned in Matthew is the act of Power.



Anything you add to the finish work of Christ is a heresy.

Again we NEVER was discussing an act of obedience, Circumcision was commandment but Circumcision didn't save lives. It's a cutting away of the flesh. Another action pointing to the finish work on the cross, as well as water baptism. Many in the first century church believed water baptism was to was away the leprosy of sin.

The Lord didn't come to clean us up.

Baptism is where the old man dies and is born again!! not a spiritual bath.

From what I have seen many of those who hold this view don't stop there, They believe you can loose your salvation,

Salvation is by works not grace! You don't know your saved until you are Judged ect..

There seems to be an absence of Christ supplied faith if you don't Know.

John says we can Know by the love we have one for another.

We are given strength to obey God's word by the Spirit AFTER we have been saved.

and that's not to remain saved, It's because we are saved.

And we shouldn't be partial.

We should obey Paul pastoral epistles as well. Don't you think?

Ty . Well said GiGi.

Guarantee I will continue to search for information on any scripture I don't understand. Thats just who I am. I'm Gods daughter forever. I appreciate everyone giving me scripture to search out & learn more about my lord & savior Jesus Christ & his word! Thank you.

Precious April, I pray to The LORD That HIS Doctrine, Under HIS GRACE, Today, will help Encourage you in the 'confusion' of water baptism:

God's ONE Baptism: Link

Thank you so much for everything. It's very much appreciated. Have a prosperous & healthy new year. I don't celebrate anything pagan. However I do celebrate passover.

I am not saying that water baptism saves. I am saying it is the act of obedience that is to follows belief, as commanded by Jesus. Many on this thread have spoken to this subject repeatedly over the few months I have been on this forum. There have been many good posts made on both sides of this subject.

I do not wish to rehash these conversations once again. I posted because I wish to state support for the ages old practice of new converts being water baptized as is revealed in the book of Acts and attested to by the writers of the early church. I happen to think that they knew better than we do in this day and age what was practiced by the apostles disciples, and elders of the early church age. In Acts 19 Paul di baptize the converts of Apollo in water and then laid hands on them to receive the outpouring of the Holy Spirit immediately after being water baptized. I am also aware that Paul had stated that he did not come to baptize. This does not mean that he never did or did not instruct new believers to be baptized. It means that the elders present did the baptizing in water, not Paul. he did the preaching. The elders followed up with the new converts.

I do not see it fitting to re hash this topic, because those on neither "side" of the issue are going to change their minds on this. I believe my view is on the side of Scripture and the witness of the church through the centuries that Jesus promised to build. Those who despise this history will have to give an account to the Lord about why they refuse to follow His command and refute His witness in the church through the ages.

For me, I appreciate the opportunity to share ideas on this forum. I accept that people will have differences, and respect others viewpoint. But, also, for me, if someone is adamantly in opposition of doing something that Jesus commanded and the apostles practiced, then I tend to be cautious about receiving what they say on other matters as I believe they are teaching error on this.

In previous Chapters we see Jesus is talking to many different people from different backgrounds, educations & walks in life:

Luke 14, Luke 15:1,2, Luke 16:1,14,

Luke 15:3 =3 parables prior have to do with GOD's goodness, amazing mercy & love for HIS lost children. Luke 15:4-32,

Luke 16, continues as Jesus is talking to the disciples, Luke 16:1, yet you see the others appear to still be there. Luke 16:14,

A steward is someone trusted with things, property, belongings (even teachings) that don't belong to them, they are trusted to maintain, keep, watch-over, protect, grow etc. In this parable Jesus seems to be pointing out the wrongs done.

Luke 16:8, notice Luke 16:9-13, if you go back to Luke 14, they appear to be at one of the Cheif Phariees house throughout these chapters. Luke 14:1, (Pharisee known for being very strict religious of GOD's written laws) therefore being a "steward" of GOD's written laws, including teaching, nextJesus speaks of the rich man, that showed no mercy. Luke 16:19-31, I believe Jesus is rebuking the "rich teachers, stewards" yet also teaching HIS disciples to be wiser to what is going on.

Hopefully this is helpful

Gigi. Keeping this simple and aligned with scripture who is the author of all confusion? It is not the true God

Hi Arkieguide,

I would encourage you to google subjects like this. There are many good sites that speak from a Christian perspective.

(Answers in Genesis, Christian Archeology, also, subjects like: The creation of the universe, Early mankind, How old is the earth?, etc.) Take some time to read as much as you can. I did this same thing last January and spent a whole month reading whatever I could find about the beginnings of our world/universe and what the pre-flood world may have been like. I found it helpful.

Understood Rick,

How did it get "out of order"