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Hi Ronald, I'm not sure what you mean by children destroyed. I think sin of parents can adversely affect children and generations, but I don't believe salvation depends upon others' actions. Each individual will be responsible for his or her own decisions especially into adulthood. Those who depart early before an age of understanding will be judged fairly. God bless.

Terry,

I firmly believe the answer to that is yes. A saved person is someone who has eternal life. How long is eternal? If salvation can be lost, do we really have eternal life? In reality, Christ did not give me eternal life, He gave me Himself, and He is eternal. That's how I can claim to have eternal life. It's because I have the eternal one living inside of me and He has promised to never leave me. There is nothing in scripture that tells us that we can lose our salvation.

Think of it this way: If you are saved, who saved you? Can man save himself? Salvation is all of God. Man has no part in salvation other than calling out to God to have mercy on them and to save them. It is God who saves, and it is God who keeps a person saved by His power alone. Man cannot save himself, and man cannot keep himself saved. We have to ask ourselves, is salvation from God alone, or is salvation a work of God and man? If we say it is God alone that saves, and we believe we can lose that salvation, at what point does salvation become a work of man? Again, man cannot save himself, and man cannot keep himself saved.

A person who is truly saved (Born of God's Spirit) will always be saved. Why? Because salvation is all of God. We (saved ones) are kept by the power of God. He has sealed us with His Spirit. The blood of Christ has purchased us, meaning we now belong to Him. We cannot break that seal. The owner of the possession is the only one who can break the seal.

If I were to believe that I can lose my salvation, can I truly say that I am trusting in Jesus Christ, the one who saved me, and the one who has promised to never leave me, the one who tells me that I am kept by His power alone? Think about it!

In the KJV bible Revelation 13:16 when speaking of the mark of the beast it states the mark is placed IN their right hand or IN their forehead, but in many new translations it says the mark is place ON the right hand or ON the forehead. Should not the newer translations also read IN and not ON ? There is a difference between placing a mark On someone and placing a mark IN someone.

Hi Donna, I think the better question is if two people are actually "committed" why wouldn't they want a marriage to legal and official? And if there's doubt and hesitancy then maybe they aren't as committed as they admitted. I think God's definition of marriage is a big deal and is supposed to be permanent. That's my opinion. God bless.

The Bible says if the unbeliever departs, a Brother or Sister is not held accountable. They are free to remarry, but only in The Lord, in God's Will and to another Christian. Do you really think God wants you to live Defeated, listless, powerless,oppressed. My Father in Law, under whose Ministry I was saved ,always said. " If you have a Husband or Wife that hinders you from serving God. You need to get rid of them. Because your Soul is much more important. If you have exhausted every means possible to restore that which was broken. Do not let Satan continue to dominate your life with guilt. You have been living in misery and now there is hope ,,and Satan knows it. There are literally 10s of millions of Christians who are carrying guilt and shame, because somebody wouldn't live right. And the devil says it's your fault, so Reap it.

Listen,, at the end of the day every person does what is in their Heart. Me,you and every other man, woman. Don't buy into the Ol' " I could have done better, if you had done this, hadn't done this. I know we all wish we could go back and do some things ,say some things different. But the Reality is this,, it still wouldn't have changed what was in that Person's Heart.

Pray, ask God, not man, he has the answers. And realize this, we are in this Flesh, no matter how good are intentions are. We still miss it. But just call on God again, and seek his Grace. Amen

Mikey Out. Oooooh Yeah!!!!

Thanks Mishael , my friend is very materialistic . It's not entirely her fault , as a child her parents showed their love to her by buying her things so she puts a lot of importance on things . It's a hard habit for her to break , me ? I have the same curtains in my living room for the last 30 years ! No , I'm not kidding , smiley face . My mum and step dad are both very poorly with bad chest problems , arthritis , high blood pressure , high cholesterol and heart problems . My step dad has two daughters and two step children and about 9 siblings , dozens of nieces and nephews etc . They are no where in sight and I'm doing all their housework for them . My mum's sister lives next door to them but never asks if they need anything . People are cold hearted and selfish . If you genuinely care about some one you help them when they need help . You sound like a very soft hearted kind guy and your posts on here are always appreciated by me and others I'm sure . You will be getting a lot of hugs from friends you didn't even know you had when God gathers His precious jewels together in His Kingdom . Stay strong Mishael , you are very much loved on this site and by everyone who knows you , I'm sure of that . Thanks again , much love in Christ .

Thank you Daniel , I've just been reading Romans . My friend is very worldly , which actually means that she is very vulnerable , if you put your trust in the things of this world then you are not going to find any real peace or true joy . Her wordlyness makes her vulnerable . Thanks again .

As with Elijah, there are always good people . He thought he was it, nobody left. I'm reminded of the Pastor who had Prayer Night, wbith a Church that ran over 400. Only about 40 showed up. He said The Lord told him to stand up and looked around, so he did. And the God said " This is the Rapture " . He rebuked it, thinking it to be the devil. And it happened 2 more times. " This is the Rapture " He pleaded with God, Lord I have 400 some people in my Church. We can hide our heads in the sand, shout louder, play longer or faster.

But there is a Great Falling away, this Church Age, says we are rich, increased with goods, homes, cars, land, our Programs. To be honest we don't need you God, but he said, " You are poor, Blind, naked, halt, and I will spew you out. You were in my Body,, but you sickened me, I couldn't digest, so I will vomit, throw you out. If that seems Graphic, or mean, hard. I am only quoting God's Word. Yes, there are some of the best people you will ever meet in God's House. But Religion does this to a Man,Woman. The meanest person you will ever meet and the craziest is a Religious Person who establishes their own Righteousness. I'm Pentecostal, I was talking to a Elderly Baptist man, one day. He said " Sir, were 2 different denominations. But when I was younger, it didn't matter what the Sign said. There was so much Conviction, you either got in or got ran over". I'm sorry, We can't sugarcoat the fact we are in the time Paul spoke of. Having a Form of Righteousness,, but denying the Power thereof. But God's People will be separated at the Harvest. He is going to bring the Wheat into his Barn, His Kingdom, Heaven. So hold on,, and when you have stood as long as you can, took all you thought humanly possible. His Grace is still sufficient. Keep Standing. Praise God,,,,

Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

Joshua 24:15 "choose you this day whom ye will serve"

John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Matthew 12:32 "...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

Jude 1:21 "KEEP YOURSELVES IN THE LOVE OF GOD, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life."

James 5:19-20 "BRETHREN, if any of YOU do ERR FROM THE TRUTH, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

1 Corinthians 9:26-27 "I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so FIGHT I, not as one that beateth the air: But I KEEP UNDER MY BODY, and BRING IT INTO SUBJECTION: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a CASTAWAY."

Hebrews 10:29

"Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

1 Cor 9:24-27 "run the race"

Salvation is a gift from God. The Blood He shed on the Cross, the Faith we had to repent and received His Grace...to be born again only truly happens once. You cannot undo what God has done. Only God had that power and He never says in His Word that Salvation could be removed.

Read the words from Dr. Ray Stanford (1916-2012) and he once said, "The moment you are saved, you become a member of the body of Christ. If you could ever become unsaved, part of Christ's own body would go to hell"

Now, what does the Holy KJV Bible say?

We are clearly taught from God's Word that works are NOT essential to our salvation. Titus 3:5 states... "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us..." And again in Ephesians 2:8,9 we are told, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." We are all Hell-deserving sinners! We do NOT have anything to do with salvation except to receive God's free gift by FAITH. Salvation is receiving, NOT giving.

If I cannot do good works to get saved,

then how can I do bad works to lose salvation?

Jesus said in John 10:28, "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." - 1st John 5:13

Some believe because Salvation is eternal...we could go back to sin without consequence. No, there are grave consequences and we do not have a sin license because we have eternal security:

"What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid." - Romans 6:15

Be of peace, live a Holy life risen in Christ, read your Bible as they are our instructions for life and God bless you!

Biblically speaking, if two people decide they want to stay together and commit to one another for life do they actually have to have a marriage certificate to make it legally binding as far as God is concerned? Why?

Amen brother Giannis. I've written an extension to this rapture study in the link and I have a separate study which outlines all Bible verses which uniquely distinguish the pre-tribulation rapture from the 2nd coming. There equally as many (if not more) verses in the Bible which pertain strictly to the 2nd coming and thus, many often get confused between the two or try placing the two together.

jesus-is-savior. com "search 'The Rapture Explained'"

All Bible verses used on the site are KJV only to keep in sound doctrine with kingjamesbibleonline.org

Replacement theology has been around since about 300 A.D. but from the 1800's - early 2000's there was almost no mention of replacement theology (mid-rapture, post-trib rapture, millennial rapture, etc) until around 2012. Mainline denominations often adopt or replace common Biblical facts for substitutionary doctrine and deem the others as "old" or "incorrect." I'm trying to understand how it is that nearly all the early theologians believed in pre-tribulation rapture. They weren't ignorant of discerning the Word of God but let me put it like this: did you ever think we'd live to see mega churches telling you "god wants you to be a millionaire" "pray more for miracles & signs than simple Salvation and sanctification" "we don't need old worship with hymns, let's bring the bands of the world into the church and just change the words?" The church has fallen far from God and our only Hope is in Christ and His Holy Word brother.

Once your saved are you always saved?

When i think about the GODHEAD the trinity i always think about Abraham Issac and Jacob...I think thats y God told Moses my name is Abraham Issac and Jacob....They were Father Son and GRANSON...And without this Granson Jacob there cd neva been the 12 tribes...and that Promise that Abraham wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven cd not happen without this Abrahamic trinity...And God Almighty swore by his very self that Christ was gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven....Thus there is gonna be an ISRAEL OF GOD...Impling that God himself was gona be multiplied as the stars of heaven...As Jesus said to whom the Word came it made them Gods...When Jesus said that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit thats the H.G. the Child of Promise which is God as only God is spirit...As Isaiah speaks of a heavenly Jacob coming in the last days...The sun does not lite on them or any heat simply b/c they are Spirits...The H.G. plural as the stars of heaven in multitudes...ok lemme go someone at the DOOR...The dogs are barking

Interesting discussion indeed my brother. I would add the following.

During the flood of Noah, that more than likely, there were babies and children who died during this event. The thought of this happening breaks my heart as a dad and grandpa. There is no mention of Satan being granted permission to create this flood.

Genesis 6:17 is very clear.

"And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die."

The creator must have processed the thoughts of what would happen to the little ones, and how scared they must have been. And then look into the future and see in the same word the following.

Psalms 127: 3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. 4 As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth. 5 Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

So, the question still remains.

Does the creator have evil thoughts?

I don't expect any of mankind to know this answer, for only the creator knows.

Peace be with you brother.

Amen, Brother Alex!

Gi Gi lemme add a lil something...Talking bout Warfare in the spritual realm... Jesus said When he the Spirt of truth is come he will reprove the world of sin and righteousness and judgement...And she brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule ALL NATIONS...These 2 scriptures wrap up all warfare scriptures...Its not something we can do, its something that God is gonna do in this New Covenant the contents of the Book...I will make a new covenant etc...Its the manchild which is the H.G. that Child of Promise that is gonna lead us into all truth...And rule all nations...And unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child ( the Child of Promise the H.G. You will in no wise enter there in...But this requires us having to know him thats when the good seed is gonna be sown in our hearts initiating a birth of Christ in us...Thats y he always refered to himself as the son of man...Mankind has to bring forth fruit unto God Thats y the sower wants to sow his precious seed in our hearts ...Which is a baby Christ the H.G. THE Child of Promise...The multiplication of God to whom the word came ( his seed ) it made them Gods...Thats y Jesus was saying that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit thats the H.G that results from his seed his words etc....And this is that Spiirt of truth that is gonna reprove the world of sin and righteousness...The manchild which is the H.G. that Child of Promise is gonna Rule ALL NATIONS...this fulfills all warfare scriptures...k gbu

I heard someone say that they "hated" the analogy of the egg. But I love it! But then who am I ?

Actually Proverbs has a ton of verses about flaky friends.

In my case, when I became born again, I lost ALL of my Disco dancing friends. Every last one.

They'd ask me to go drinking, and I'd invite them to go to CHURCH with me!

They finally stop dropping by. I got real lonely. I sorta whined, I have no friends Lord. Can you help me find friends?

I started going to a small storefront church, full of gung ho, guitar strumming, singing, street preaching Christians. I had never seen anything like it. I fit right in. :D. They all prayed for me to receive the Holy Spirit.

That's my story of how I lost all my friends-but I got much much more than I ever thought of: the Body of Christ.

Hello Gi Gi luv ya sweety...But lemme give ya my Heart on Mans Spritual Condition...In Adam we all die but in Christ we will ALL live...You said that Satan was not omnipresent but he is...In the fact that Satan is the God of this present world makes him omnipresent he is in everymans Seed...Thus EVERY child that will ever be born will have to be bornagain of an incorruptible Seed which is the seed of Christ that 2 nd Adam...Thats y Jesus was saying outta of the hearts of man proceeds All manner of evil...And there were none righteous no NOT ONE...Simply b/c every person ever born carried the stain and the spot of Adam...And thats y Christ had to come and die...Jesus knew that that horrible stain and spot was on every person ever born thus he wd have to stain with his blood every person...As Isaiah said he wd stain all his raiment meaning the world...God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son etc...Jesus said if ye Being Evil know how to give good gifts to your Children how much more will the Father give a good Gift to his Children...But Gi Gi Jesus had the ability to see in mans Hearts...Many believed in his name when they saw the miracles that he did...But Jesus wd NOT commit himself to them b/c Jesus knew ALL MEN and needed not that any should testify of MAN...Even John the bap. doubted in the end and Jesus said that John was the greatest of them born of a woman...Art thou he that should come or look we for another...Even Peter told Jesus when they 1st met depart from me lord i am a sinful ( wicked ) person...And Paul said in my Flesh dwells no good thing.

.....Its b/c of this Adamic Nature which is in rank with satan....That God wants to give humanity a new heart and a new spriit which answers to the New Haven and the new Earth...IMO..And that y this whole world needs to be bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the words of God that LIVETH AND ABIDETH FOR EVER....The living word ( the book in the fathers right hand) are the words of life...

Sometimes it's the most loving thing to do,

At your church or some other church

That has a regular group that meets for intercessory prayer; give them a sheet of paper with your friends first name and the word 'atheist'.

I don't know if you've seen that movie, WAR ROOM, but that's what intercessors do.

Way back when I was practicing astrology, I did charts on my associate pastor brother-in-law, kids. He caught me. He was so upset about it, he asked his entire church on Sunday,

To fast and pray for me, one day

It worked!!!!! My life unraveled. God peeled away every shred of security that I possessed. Just like an onion. Layer by layer. Until I had nothing.

I was scared. The evil in my life got all stirred up. I almost died from booze and pills.

Then Jesus made a house call :)

Don't give up. Just give the Name to the Prayer Warriors.

Fast on a weekend day. Tell no one you're doing or have done it. Don't tell your friend. No food, no media. Just Bible. Read Ephesians 6. Be patient. It took me 9 months to unravel.

Commit your fast to God.

The second question for 2 Kings Chapter 13, from where did Aram come? Not in verse 17, 18, nor 19 was it mentioned.

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Luke 9:28-36. Mount of Transfiguration

Jesus was talking to Moses and Elijah

Peter and John saw this taking place and were thinking they should build churches; instead of just "being in the moment."

Then Father God tells them, this is my beloved Son__Hear Him!

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

* Romans 1:20*

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

I do not want to offend you, but the word "Trinity". It is a word that the Catholic Church uses. The word used in the Bible approved by most all Churches is Godhead.

The word Triune simply means three.

When Chris returns, if you see him in here ask him about the Council of Churches; history,

I think you'll see what I mean if you look up those scriptures.

Blessings, Mishael

Matthew 22

35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.

The Commandments help us keep our lives straight; but loving our neighbors with the God-kind of Love is harder than it sounds. We do it because it is a commandment.

One of my favorite stop offs is The School Master in Galatians 3, the purpose of The Law.

Emphasis on Galatians 3:29 and 4:9.

In my experience, we cannot attain to the God-kind of love (agape) until we set aside everything that is holding us back.

* Storge - empathy bond.

* Philia - friend bond.

* Eros - romantic love.

* Agape - unconditional "God" love.

Mishael

I think, for a generation, we've taught our children to excel at everything. Get to the top of the heap.

I'm 70, so I've seen the generations from the 50's until now. Quite a slide show. I just think we are experiencing the Leviticus 26 curses. "They" announced God was dead. Took reciting the Pledge of Allegiance and the Bible out of schools. And you know the rest. Not only our parents allowed it, but we are still doing it: allowing CRT, gay is ok, transgender coaching, etc.

It's not all bad. It means Jesus is returning soon. Let's know prophetic timelines and keep one eye on the news.

I'm sorry that you view the church as you do. I chose in 1986, to grab on to Jesus with both hands. He did a home alone, house salvation, as I was doing a natal horoscope for a friend. I saw a vision of Jesus, then a vision of hell, then a vision of a Hand extended towards me. I TOOK THE HAND. I was a street preacher some months later. It's been awesome for 36 years.

You need to find a smaller Bible teaching church. Ask God to to give you a fresh anointing. Luke 4:18. Jesus preached that to his hometown; people who knew him and his family. The people were not amused. That was His launch. After that The Anointing began his Ministry.

You can't fix every Church. That's really Jesus's area of Ministry. He's interceding for the real Church. The American church has little idea of the Church in other countries. Luke 21, shows us the signs to be looking for, that indicate the Time of Jesus's return to earth.

Does anyone teach what Apostasy is? I had a Pastor that did it. Turned his back on everything and now he's on YouTube teaching that there is NO HELL.

I wish everyone who was bored in a dead church, would hit the streets and one by one, tell people time is running down to zero, sooner than they think. Open the Bible and just let them look at Romans 1. Keep it simple. John 3. Take some Chick Tracts (buy online). Try it. It will revive you.

I am still trying to get clarification regarding my marital situation. I have read several scriptures about remarriage, divorce, etc., but am wanting and still do pray for clarification with my particular situation. I decided to separate from my former wife due to constant physical abuse and chaos in the home. Months went by and I later asked if she wanted to try to work out the marriage. She claimed that she did not and that we clearly would not work and should go separate ways, and that she was filing for a divorce. I decided to go ahead and file the divorce myself without an attorney. Since I was the one that filed the divorce instead of waiting on her to use her lawyer, would I be in the wrong for filing it? Would that divorce be my fault even though she was the one who initiated it and decided that she wanted it? I do wish to be married, but I refuse to go to hell if I am not at liberty to do so. The bible doesn't give my particular situation, so I am just wanting help clarifying how my divorce/remarriage would be handled. Not to mention, our divorce was finalized in January of one year, and she remarried 5 mths later. Which has me to believe that someone was in the picture while going through the divorce. I believe that ultimately I must pray about my particular situation. I just want to get a more educated/knowledgeable answer, incite, or advice. Thank you

Those are good points brother & I thank you for bringing up Isaiah 45:6,7, as it's a passage that I've also considered previously.

Even though I don't expect others to read verse 7 in the way I do, I still submit it for your thoughts. The LORD says, "I form the light, and create darkness". The same LORD Who formed the light for the first time, the light which instantly covered over the darkness, dispelling it, can also by His Power, remove that light - darkness then prevailing.

The LORD continues, "I make peace, and create evil". In Hebrew, 'peace' is 'sa-lowm', which is of course 'peace, & also means soundness, completeness'. And for 'evil', the word is 'ra' ', which gives the meaning of both 'evil & adversity'. As in the matter of His creation of light & removal of that light, I wonder whether we could apply the same thought in that verse, that God Who alone can give peace & completeness to a person or to any part of His Creation, can also by His Power, remove that peace? The result being, the entrance of evil, the evil brought to bear on us by Satan.

I'm sure the LORD knows all about evil, its author, its make-up, & its ramifications. But knowledge of it doesn't imply use of it. I don't understand it as "dark thoughts" with God, rather that He permits evil according to His Knowledge & Demands: whether to remove the peace He gives, or allowing Satan free rein, or even instigating circumstances where evil is manifest - for His purposes. Maybe 'creation of evil' is what God allows (by removing peace) rather than arising from His Person, which could never be true of One altogether Holy. Blessings.

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