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That's very true, Jerome. Whenever you see the name of God or LORD & when read in Hebrew as Yahweh, we know that it speaks of the True & Living God of Israel. Sometimes, God or Lord can be used in the Bible in other forms & with other meanings, but Yahweh, or Jehovah, will always refer to the One True God & noone else.

Here are three examples: Isaiah 42:8; Jeremiah 16:21 and 33:2.

Darren, may the spirit grace you with his wisdom and his knowledge.

no part of revelation is going to occur in the physical sense.

revelation is spiritual warfare for the kingdom of heaven.

revelation is completely symbolic.

isaiah 9:5 now every (natural) battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this (spiritual battle) shall be with burning and fuel of fire.

isaiah 9:19 ....and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire....

isaiah 4:4 when the lord (a consuming fire hebrews 12:29) shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of (new) zion, and shall have purged the blood of (new) jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgement and the spirit of burning.

luke 12:49 i am come to send fire on the earth; and what be i (the fire), if it (the fire) be kindled already?

matthew 4:11 ....he shall baptize you with the holy spirit and with fire;

isaiah 9:18 for wickedness burneth as the fire (our god is a consuming fire).....

isaiah 10:16 .... and under his glory (us) he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.

isaiah 24:15 wherefore glorify ye the lord in the fires ....

isaiah 31:9 ....whose fire is in (new) zion, and his furnace in (new) jerusalem.

isaiah 33:14 .....who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burning?

where the fire is never quenched (our god is a consuming fire)

isaiah 42:25 therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle; and it (the battle) hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it (the battle) burned him, and he laid it not to heart.

ezekiel 5:2 thou shall burn with fire a third part in the midst of the (new jerusalem, christ in you).....

zachariah 13:9 and i will bring the third part through the fire ....

revelation 8:1-13

revelation 9:18 by these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire...brimstone...smoke....

hebrews 9:27

1 peter 4:17

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Ezekiel 27 & 28 describes the King of Tyre as making himself a "god" and was called a "cherub" and referenced "Eden, the garden of God" This Cherub was "perfect" in beauty, faultless in his ways from creation onward until unrighteousness was found in him. Ez 27:3, 28:12,15

Isaiah 42:12 Reference the God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Joseph, David, Josiah, Ezekiel, John the Baptist, Jesus, the Apostles, etc. This Almighty God of Israel is the creator of all living things. In Psalms 83:18 he is called Jehovah God.

If you look in one of the earliest King James Bible of 1611 you'll see that name. Most modern translations have removed that name and substituted it with Lord claiming since the original pronunciation was lost it makes sense to remove it as if the Almighty doesn't exist. Also the divine name Jehovah or Adhonai or Elohim in some translation appears in the Tetragrammaton close to 7000 times so removing the name removes the knowledge and understanding of the Almighty and creates confusion. He just wasn't a tribal God in Isaiah 54:5 it says "....He will be called the God of the whole earth." Psalm 124:8 Jehovah is called the maker of heaven and earth.

Jesus who was a Jew also recognized the God of Israel as being Jehovah or Yahweh. Remember the Jewish clergy during the time of Jesus wanted to bring charges against Jesus in order to put him to death for blashemy so any of worship or acknowledgement he gave to any other god would have given them this opportunity. Plus Genesis 17:1, Isaiah 45:18, Psalm 83:18 refers to Jehovah God being one God. Deuteronomy 6:4,5 also call Jehovah one Jehovah. This is in harmony with Mark 12:29, Romans 3:29-30, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:4-6, 1 Timothy 2:5 all these scriptures refer to one God.

For Jesus to believe in multiple gods or a triune god would be paramount to apostasy for a Jew and thus grounds for death. Also Roman Zeus was a triune god and existed during this time.

Isaiah 42:1-4(mathew12:18-20 God showed me I want to understand it deeply. And there many more scriptures too he has been showing me

Hello,

Well I guess you can pick whichever one you perceive it as I guess. All I can say is the Holy Ghost is Spirit as I'm sure you know. Whom is sent from the Father in the name of Christ as it is written.

Why would you think I have that kind of answer?

Does he and himself in this verse speaks of a force/Influence or a divine person?

John 16:13. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of ""HIMSELF;""but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

The verse clearly says the 3 are one. How do you interpret that?

Hello Star,

As I really can't speak for anyone but myself but I don't think anyone here believes in God being more than One. As you are not the only person but many people have a problem with the Father, Son(Word), and Holy Ghost. Being three but of One. Then saying you agree with verse ( 1 John 5:7 but not three persons is very confusing.

Maybe just one question I would start with is John 16:13. How could the Spirit of Truth(Holy Ghost) "not speak of Himself but whatsoever He shall hear" if it were the same "person". That verse would be an oxymoron. Along with many others of Jesus Christ(The Word) praying to God the Father along with God the Father speaking from Heaven down unto Jesus Christ numerous times.

So you saying "Definitely not and never" but agree with verse ( 1 John 5:7 could you please explain your view? Thank you.

I absolutely agree w the verse but it is not 3 persons. Never!

It's clearly stated in the Bible. Link I believe what God says over what a flawed human being says.

I will say it again Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord. Not 3 persons. Definitely not!

My brother Robert,

Well at least thank you for replying to me. Although you gave no answer to the one question I asked about the verse. That the the Spirit of Truth shall not speak of himself but what he shall hear. That's ok though. Nobody knows everything.

The reply you gave to brother Adam doesn't answer anything, for me, really. I know of many names that are of God Almighty(Father) that are not of Jesus Christ and vice versa. As you stated there are some they both use.

John 20:17 is good: Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus stating "go to my brethren". Is God our Father or Brother? I call God Father just as Jesus Christ did. Since receiving the Holy Spirit of adoption from Him.

Here's one passage in the old testament speaking of a Father and Son. Proverbs 30:4

And one about Gods Servant or Elect One. Isaiah 42:1

Just a couple names referring to the Father and not Jesus Christ: The Most High, Lord of Hosts, Ancient of Days, God of gods, The Vine Grower, Our Father which art in Heaven etc.

Some names referring to Jesus Christ not God the Father: The Son of God, The Anointed One(Christ or Messiah), High Priest, The Bread of Life, Mediator between God and men, The Vine, Lamb of God, Chief corner Stone etc.

And of coarse many names both the Father and Son share. As they are One in each other. Although I do not believe the Son is the Father and the Father is the Son as you do.

Either way I have no problem with how you portray our Lord. I respect you either way. That you are with Jesus Christ our Salvation. That is the important part. I hope you don't think less of me, or us who perceive differently, brother. May our Lord Bless you with peace and good health. Amen.

Alex comments about Isaiah 42 th Elect, the Promised ones,Jesus neva refered to any man as the Elect, the Promised one. He only refered to the H.G. as PROMISED ONE. Simply b/c we were all born by the will of some man. But its only the H.G. that is born by the will of God in humanity. Thats y we must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the words of God, thats y he said that which is born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT thats our new innerman the H.G. his name sake that is not born of flesh nor of the will of man, nor of blood but only by the WILL OF GOD IN OUR HEARTS via that good seed etc. The H.G. is not a flesh and blood being and he is only born by the will of God in mans hearts and he is the ELECT the PROMISE CHILD The multiplIcation of CHRIST, THAT WAS THE PROMISE THAT CHRIST WD BE MULTIPLIED AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN THUS THE H.G IS TRULY THE ELECT, THE CHILD OF PROMISE.And he and only he shall judge the world as Jesus said when he the Spirit of truth is come he will reprove the world of sin and judgement and righteousness etc.All the animals in Isaiah 11 is humanity the lil child that leads them is the H.G. ( the babes and sucklings ) ARE HIS CHILDREN THAT ARE GONA LEAD US INTO ALL TRUTH. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain ( the H.G. ) The kingdom of God,Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in. Knowledge shall cover the earth as the waters cover the seas thus there shall be no more seas of humanity without the knowledge of God. I will KNOW them all from the least to the greatest IMPLING A BIRTH OF CHRIST IN US. GB

I do not want to be contrary, but there are scriptures that are coming to mind.

Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

God says by his prophet that he will tell his people (Israel) what is to come to pass before it happens. Things coming to pass would include both the blessings and judgement. No prophet from between Malachi and Jesus has predicted the extreme and severe and by my heart horrific events that many Jewish believers have suffered.

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like

unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

This Prophet , Jesus, fulfilled this passage. It is from this Prophet, Jesus Christ on that will predict what is yet to come to pass before it passes for all people including all Jews and Gentiles.

Kat-

I am concerned about you saying"it didn't matter what name I called him by" " I don't care what his name be called" many other religions apart from Christianity have their own names for their own 'gods' Their god could be Buddha, Allah, Gaia etc. and they call him / it , Lord god. would you respond if anyone call you by a name other than your own name ? No you wouldn't. Neither would The Almighty God , The Son and The Holy Spirit.

Kat, this is not to criticize but to point out, in the love of Christ, a crucial error made by many.

Your sister in Jesus Christ

I've read in a book on Prophesies ( they're out there. Buy one)

That America/United States is called in prophesy: Islands in the Sea. That's because the continents are surrounded by water. Also, Britain, Scotland, Australia and others.

Here are the scriptures:

Isaiah 11:11

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Isaiah 13:22

And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.

Isaiah 41:1

Keep silence before me, O islands; and let the people renew their strength: let them come near; then let them speak: let us come near together to judgment.

Isaiah 42:12

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands.

Isaiah 42:15

I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools.

Isaiah 59:18

According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.

Jeremiah 50:39

Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell there, and the owls shall dwell therein: and it shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation.

America is not without sin. Plenty of people describe it as the new whore of Babylon.

Have we not seen people who murder, shoot up synagogues, set them on fire: rain hatred on them sunup to past midnight?

How many churched people have come in here recently, saying, despite going to church regular, they barely know anything about scripture or prophesy? Quite a bit.

United States, England, Ireland, Scotland. Any nation off the west coast of Europe and Africa are considered to be: the Islands of the Sea.

Isaiah 11:11

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Isaiah 13

And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.

Isaiah 41:1

Keep silence before me, O islands; and let the people renew their strength: let them come near; then let them speak: let us come near together to judgment.

Isaiah 42:12

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands.

No matter where you live: bottom line is to be ready to go with Jesus. God destroyed people on earth with water the first time.

The 2nd time will be by fire.

Repent! Get saved.

Jo, jo

The word good in V. 34 means useful. In those days, salt was a preservative. They put salt on things to keep it from putrefying. But if salt does not contain the proper ingredients, what is it good for? Jesus talks about salt and light in Matt 5:13-16. He says, "You are the salt of the earth." At this point and time in experiencing the fullness of God, He says, YOU ARE the salt of the earth. And then He says, "YOU ARE the light of the world." Salt was used for two things. It was used as a preservative. They used it to preserve food, especially meat and vegetables. They also used it for purification. In 2 Kings 2:19-23, salt was used to purify bad water.

But to know why He used the term salt, we need to understand that God made a covenant of salt with Israel ( Numbers 18:19), which God said would be upon David and his descendants. Paul in Romans Chapter 11 said all of the Jews of the Kingdom. In Matt 5:14-16, Jesus says you are salt and you are light. He went on to say that you can't take a light and put it under a bushel.

What He is saying is you can't snuff out the light of the Lord. The light amongst the Jews was the Messiah. You are salt. Christ in you is the light, and Christ in you is the purification and the preservative for the people around you and especially in your life.

The command is let your light so shine. Did you ever sing that song "This little light of mine, not going to let anybody blow it out? It can't be blown out. Nobody can blow it out. The command itself, (let your light so shine) kind of sounds like an invitation. But literally, it is "Shine your light," which is a command of God. Shine your light! I don't have to worry about going out to my car to find the light because the Lord said for me to shine it. Israel was said to be the light of the world. Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 49:6, and Isaiah 60:3 says that the Jews were to be the salt and the light of the world.

Thank you for your testimony. It is a lot like mine. We thank God for Jesus! Amen.

Very true, Kat. For those of us who have come out of the 'world', we truly appreciate the great measure of Grace afforded us to be drawn to Jesus & given faith to believe in the finished work of the Cross. I think of Luke 7:37,38, which tells about a woman overtaken in much sin, who went to meet Jesus to wash His Feet with her tears (of contrition & repentance) & then to anoint them with oil. Jesus recognized this act of repentance & devotion, as He said (v 47) & I paraphrase: "the one who is forgiven much, loves much".

And I know, that so many of us fall into this category as we have been saved from much sin & shame. And yes, if only we could turn the clock back, to have had the extra time to know & love the Lord more, instead of wasting it on sinful & vain pursuits. I came out of a very deep sinful lifestyle in the Air Force, but the Lord's Spirit met me one evening in my quarters & brought me to my knees as I agonized over my sin & a horrible eternity. The work of Grace was instantaneous, so much so, that my tears of repentance did not have time to dry as the joy of salvation became evident on my face. I would've looked a real sight! But such is the Work of God & we who read your testimony also rejoice with you in your salvation & new freedom to live by His Power & Love.

Thank you Chris. I wished I was able to turn back to Christ sooner. I couldn't from my own strength. But God is Good! Amen

Thanks Kat for that great testimony of the Lord's Work in your life. And how it took an almost death experience to compel you to drop to your knees & cry out to Him for forgiveness. This is the Lord's Work & it is marvellous in our eyes. His Spirit always had His Eyes on you, never letting you go, & waiting for the right time to alert you to your real needs. Spend time in His Holy Word & in praise & prayer. There is nothing that can be compared to a child of God adoring & communing with her Heavenly Father. The Lord be with you always.

I love it! because I know the Lord, God, or Jehovah, for myself. I don't care what his name should be called. I love the Lord. He saved me from myself three years ago. I was a backslider, years and years had passed. I didn't have a will to get right, not even wanting to do right. I loved God as a young child. I gave my life to him when I was only 11 years of age. When I turned 14 years old, I went a stray. My own mother was not able to reach me. Just three years ago June 13, 2017 I took ill, I thought I was going to die. Then as I fell on my knees and started praying, I called out Lord help me. He did just that. It didn't matter what name I called him by. He saved me! and forgave me. Amen

23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come? Me.

the oracles of God were given to the Jews, not because they were of any greater importance than any of God's creation...but He chose them. This chapter is about Jesus' assignment on earth. He came to his own and they received him NOT. He will deal with the nation of Israel and redeem the remnant out of the earth of all peoples at a later time to come-v.23

V. 4 Father, praise You for Jesus, Your Son, who suffered and died for me.

The important unified attributes of this loved one to come are (1) Kedar (2) Inhabitants of Sila(3) justice to Gentiles i:e non-Jews (4) New song (5) Cry, roar, yeh,

Verily, it is you who cover JEHOVAH'S name. For if ye confess it, ye would be confessing that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh; even risen from the dead (whom, being those murderers who killed him, ye confess not.) It is written, For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

King James bible said :
Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Why you hide the name of God ?
Jéhovah he's God name, all the glory

Verse 19 is about our Lord Jesus but verse 18 is about us. Our Father is crying out to us to heed the words of his law and to follow the path of righteousness. Many remain blind and deaf to the truth and follow the ways of the world. Judgment awaits those who rebel against God to go down the well worn path of unrighteousness.