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Dear Charley, I understand your holy anger for the errors promulgated by the Roman Catholic Church, and there are many, as you noted. There is also error in Protestant churches and Eastern Orthodox, so we cannot just aim our anger at the Catholic Church. If you would happen to be blessed to know some practicing Catholics, you may find that not every Catholic believes every error taught by this church. For 500 years or so, Catholics as well as Protestants have had the Bible to read in their own language and can read it for themselves or have someone read it to them if they were illiterate. The Word has a way of flushing out error for what it is. And many Catholics today read the Bible for themselves, do personal or group Bible study, not just with other Catholics, but with Protestants, too.

We should be loving, as FREE says, and instead of seething with disgust or anger, reach out to those we know who are Catholic and invite them to pray and discover God's truth in His Word with you. You will be amazed at what God will do in such a situation, and, you also may be very amazed at how much truth Catholics do know and how some of them indeed are truly saved by grace through faith. It is rarely wise to put everyone in the same basket and judge them. We should want to build upon the truth that they already possess with more of the Word, since it is a cleansing power.

Lord Jesus, I come boldly to Your throne of grace, and lift up Alisa's Nanna, Margaret, and my Nanna Irene to you in prayer. We stand in Faith together

For the blessed assurance of Salvation. And for testimonies in the midst

of our families. Thank You Lord for all You are doing right now.

You are mighty in battle. By Your Spirit, open the eyes and ears of their

understanding. In Jesus' Name. Alleluia. Amen.

By Your grace. For Your glory.

2 Peter 3:9 kjv, Hebrews 10:19.

Dear "Charley" u are absolutely right. On the web are all kind of ppl. And in the world we meet all kind of ppl. But the Word of God is read out to the congregation in these churches too. And the Word it's sharper than any double-edged sword. Hebrew 4:12-13

Therefore when a man receives the word and get saved in the name of Jesus Christ. So remember that many have left Jerusalem, but not all have Jesus in their hearts. BUT they can get it by hearing the word.

Therefore we will love one another as the Lord says, Romans 12:10 for when we do, we fulfill the law in one swoop. Be patient with all people, love one another deeply forgive always, not only once a transgression in Matthew 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

So here you can see dear "Charley" that we must show patience and forgive first of all. Pray for all ppl on the world, that they will be saved! God bless us all with His understanding over everything in His time to give it. Amen Stay Blessed in His Holy Name.

Jesus christ is our high priest period the mass is an abomination

to a holy god, there communion is cannibolisim, there

prayers to saints are false. 1st tim 2-5 there is no earthly

preisthood period, roman catholic church is a cult and

when someone gets truly saved they will come out of this

idol church. ye must be born again rome teaches baptisimal

regeneration which is a lie from hell only the blood of

jesus christ alone saves from hell. purgatory is alie.

it is appointed unto man once to die than the judgement.

heb 9-27.

Praise the Lord for the many comments and praise reports declared on this platform. Just a few notes to help us in our walk with the Lord Jesus Christ. Since the fall of the first Adam the human heart was never pure to begin with. All who came into this world came as the Lord said with "... heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked..." When we trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as our Saviour, we are given a new heart. Eze 36:26; 2 Cor 3:3

In our reading of Jeremiah 17, the rulers and people were told to keep the Sabbath. Seems pretty easy, except to truly keep the Sabbath in a manner that is pleasing to the Lord would really mean strictly following the rest of the commandments. As a Jew, they would have to know everything that went to the preparation and executing the proper etiquette of the Sabbath to please the Lord. It would be tantamount for me to know who my Lord God is in order to worship Him in Truth and in Spirit. Other wise my worship of the Lord in attending a church service would be meaningless and would not give my God the glory or praise He so richly deserves. Hebrews 10:25

These comments were not meant to hurt anyones feelings. Just to help in our discussion. God bless everyone. May the Lord bless our nation as we learn more of Him and apply the wisdom of Christ in our lives. February 24, 2022

Whose report will you believe?

Psalms 37,

Be not fearful, Mark 4:40, only fear GOD ALMIGHTY Hebrews 10:31, Matthew 8:26, Isaiah 35:4, Revelation 21:7,8, * Deuteronomy 20:8,

Be not suddenly moved, * 2Thessalonians 2:3-17,

Psalms 62:2,6,

Hi Janet. I hope brother Jesse does see your comment & responds, but if I might be allowed to share my understanding of this passage, Hebrews 6:4-9. And I include verse 9 because I believe it's vital to understanding what the Hebrews writer is conveying.

I agree, one could read this portion in various ways, but I read it like this: the writer is sharing an 'impossibility' with his readers. Why does he do this? Well, there were different types of people reading this epistle, chiefly those out of Judaism (as the Letter title suggests). Some had grown weak in faith (hence a 'word' of exhortation: 13:22). Some were in danger of being distracted by the old Judaistic beliefs which tend to minimize or reject the Person of Christ (mostly the whole letter given to this important point). Others were facing persecution (though not to the point of martyrdom: 12:3,4). And others, giving the appearance of being Christian, sharing with other believers in the blessings of God & illumination from His Word.

So what's the 'impossibility'? IF a true believer could fall away from salvation (i.e. lose his salvation by totally rejecting Christ), then he would have to make mockery of Christ's death by ever coming back to the Cross for salvation. The writer says that this is an impossibility - it cannot happen, He cannot be mocked. That is why he was persuaded (confident) that the true believers amongst them would never be like this sad example - rather, they would be bearing fruits from their salvation (v9). And so they were being encouraged to press on in their walk & not grow weary or lose heart. But the imposter 'believer' who ultimately turns his back to Christ, maybe with slanderous words against the One Who came for him, and after receiving every opportunity & blessing from the Word & Holy Spirit, has no further chance of returning back or gaining salvation. See also Hebrews 10:26-29: for a similar warning to those who grievously sin by rejecting Christ to return to Judaism.

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Now what about the believer in Christ, whether Jew or Gentile, who makes claim to the Ten Commandments, that we're required to obey them. I perceive that those who say this speak simply about God's Commands given that still have eternal moral & spiritual value to all people for all time. And that is true, for Romans 7:12 says, "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." There's nothing wrong with the Law - what brings us into error, is our appeal to it & requiring others to be brought under it.

Paul went on in that passage to describe how the Law only showed him the wretched state of his soul - if he was left in that state, he would be doomed. But he saw 'another law (now working) in his members'. The Law that revealed to him his weakness to keep it & being a total failure, was overtaken by another Law of God now working in his mind. He goes on in Romans 8:1,2 to state that now there is no condemnation by God to those who don't "walk after the flesh" (i.e. sin in his members revealed by the Law), but "walk after the Spirit". For it is "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death"; a new Law that not only replaced the Old that brought death, but also gave power & liberty by the Spirit to fully know & obey God's Holy requirements. And when we fail, then there lies mercy to forgive & restore. Under the old Law, there was no mercy ( Hebrews 10:28).

Who then requires me to obey the letter of the Law for a right standing before God? God certainly doesn't, for I am set free to obey God as His Spirit directs me. Is it only the Ten Commandments or the '613 other commandments' that must apply to me, or maybe the millions of laws that bring out the spirit of the letter, that we might "serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter" ( Romans 7:6)?

Bro Alex,

Christ died so that we can be forgiven of our sins - period! That is, if we sincerely ask for this forgiveness. If we don't ask - we don't get forgiven. If we keep sinning we must keep asking for His forgiveness. It's ongoing. Remember, God knows our heart. If we are not sincere - he will know it. If we keep sinning, at some point, we have to ask ourselves are we really saved?

Galatians 6:7

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

If we continue to sin we can surely die.

Hebrews 10:26

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

If we are truly walking with Christ, we will be following all of His Commandments!

Read and believe!

As opposed to what? Destroying the evil? Genesis 6:5-6,11,12, He did that in Noah's day: Genesis 6:7-9, Genesis chapters 6-9,

Genesis 8:21-22, Gen. 9:9-17, therefore HE made a covenant of mercy. Yet HE also makes promises of giving an "account"

Genesis 9:5-6, Psalms 37, Isaiah 61:3, Romans 12:9, Hebrews 10:30, Jude 1:7,

It's like this Genesis: GOD gave dominion to man over the Earth, including sea. Gen. 1:28, It's a ' stewardship ' that all men will give an account for. Matthew 25:31-46, yet the Earth still belongs to GOD : 1Corinthains 10:26,

GOD gave Moses a set of "Best Laws" That if people obeyed, would cut down on suffering. Instead many have rebelliously rejected, mocked & ignored & refusal to enforce. Whose then to blame for suffering in consequence? Proverbs 3:27,

I think it amazing that GOD intervenes on our behalf so many times. Exodus 3:9, Psalms 12:5,

& ultimately gave us Salvation John 3:16-18, Ecclesiastes 5:8,

Hopefully this is helpful

In the book of hebrews 10:36 it talks about patience and the will of God can someone explain for me more about it thank you!

1 Timothy 1:19, Hebrews 10:38-39, Ezekiel 33:11, Ezekiel 18:23, Psalms 147:11, James 2, Galatians 3:23, Hebrews 11, Philippians 3:8-14, 2 Corinthians 5:7, Romans 14:1-4, Romans 10:17, hopefully these help in the matter

would this be what you're thinking of, Hebrews 10:1-39, Colossians 2:13-23, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"

Hi GiGi.

Good Question.

I'm not sure if this is the answer but We know by scripture Christ was prophesied as the savior to come into the world before the world began.

Ephesians 1:4.

1 Peter 1:19-21.

The volume of the book is written of Christ and his redemption plan.

See John 5:39.

Also " Hebrews 10:7. "

We that said your question reminds me of

Ephesians 2:6-7. And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"THAT IN THE AGES TO COME" he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

This seems to imply that in the ages to come one would look back and see the love demonstrated orchestrated in these 66 books. which involves creation.

Just a perspective.

God bless.

Hi Louis.

For anyone to come in the presence of God he has to be perfect, Perhaps this is why no one has come in the presence of God and lived. That is what Christ came to through the work on the cross. Hebrews 10:12-17.

It is the spirit that work in you after conversion. Philippians 2:13. Philippians 1:6.

We are to be in agreement with the spirit and bare the fruit produced by the vine. John 15:1-8.

Anything that is done in the flesh and not through the influence of the spirit is not accepted, Your works will be tried by fire. 1 Corinthians 3:11-17.

That which is done in your own strength lacks the ability and authenticity to please God, but the spirit gives life to this fleshly nature captured in these sinful bodies. Romans 8:5-14.

It is important for a Christian to not attempt to ad to the finish work on the cross. ( We should acknowledge the works we do adds nothing to your salvation, that's been taken care of you can't loose it.)

In our walk we will stumble: 1 John 2:1. 1 John 1:7-10. Let's not loose sight of Philippians 1:6.

God bless.

Little g gods are usually fake gods most never living, therefore not alive therefore dead.

Judges 10, Jeremiah 16, Deuteronomy 6, Exodus 20:23, Jeremiah 2:11,

1 Corinthians 8:1-6, John 10:34-38,

Acts 14, man shouldn't be worshipped.

Jesus the Son of GOD, Matthew 26:62-64, THE MESSIAH our SAVIOUR, Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, John 19, "The Way" died & arose from the grave, 1 Samuel 2:6, Revelation 2:8, Deuteronomy 32:39, John 3:15-16,

* Luke 20:38,

I serve GOD ALMIGHTY, Jeremiah 10:10, Revelation 1, Revelation 21, Rev 22, The Alpha & Omega Revelation 1:8, Genesis 1, Psalms 103:17, Mark 12:27, Matthew 22:32, Psalms 42:4, Psalms 90:2, Hebrews 10:31, 1 Timothy 4:10,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study.

I 1st thought of the scripture Adam & Spencer Shaw gave you. Then I prayed I might understand what you're looking for.

Hebrews 10:26-39

I searched under wisdom & found these. Hopefully these are helpful in what you're looking for: I added a few additional.

Matthew 12:41-42, Luke 11:31-32, Luke 11:52, Ecclesiastes 10:1, James 3:13-18,

Ecclesiastes 1:18, Proverbs 17:16,

Job 11:6-7, Job 26:1-4, Job 28:28,

Psalms 37:27-31, Psalms 111:10, Proverbs 10,

Most verses on wisdom are how good & pleasant it is: Proverbs 19:8, Proverbs 23:4, Ecclesiastes 7:12,

Please read:

Jeremiah 9:23-25, Zephaniah 1:9,

Promise of punishment to Hebrews if they did not reform; Leviticus 26:23-25, Amos 3:2,

GOD's punishment; Jeremiah 44:13, Hosea 12:2,

Ezekiel 25:14,17, Jeremiah 51:11,36,37, Psalms 94:1, Jeremiah 50:15,18, Luke 21:22, Isaiah 63:4, Micah 5:15, Isaiah 61:2, Psalms 149:7, Jeremiah 11:20, Isaiah 47:3, Isaiah 34:6-9, Psalms 99:6-9, Ezekiel 25:12,

Isaiah 59:16-21, redemption & recompense, Jeremiah 51:6, Jeremiah 30:20, Zephaniah 1:8,

2 Thessalonians 6-9, Hope of GOD's recompense, it is "righteouss" Isaiah 35:4,

Romans 12:19, Hebrews 10:28-31, Deuteronomy 32:35,

Jude 1:5-7,

Nahum 1:2, ''GOD is furious"

Regarding Hebrews 8:5 = GOD commanded Moses to construct the Old Testament Tabernacle as the instrument of HIS presenting HIMSELF to Israel ( Exo. 25:22; cp. 30:6 & 36):

"There I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the Mercy Seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the Ark of the Testimony, of all things which I will give thee in Commandment unto the children of Israel."

This verse ( Heb. 8:5) records three terms which demonstrate the purpose and value of the Old Testament Levitical Priesthood and of the Tabernacle that GOD commanded Moses to replicate on earth. These terms provide a comprehensive perspective "figure" ( Heb. 9:9) of that which is "of Heavenly Things".

1st, they served as "the example of Heavenly Things", meaning an exact copy or reproduction of the original and "True Tabernacle, which The LORD pitched, and not man" (v.2). Compare the terms "figure", "pattern", and "fashion" in the following references: Exodus 26:30; 27:8; Numbers 8:4; Acts 7:44; and Hebrews 9:9;

By design, the example demonstrates the purpose and value of the original. This example is not a counterfeit, but rather a replication of the actual Heavenly Tabernacle which speaks of the saints dwelling in the very Presence of CHRIST ( Rev. 13:6; 15:5; 21:3).

2nd, they served as a "shadow of Heavenly Things", meaning it only typified, symbolized, represented, and pointed to the Heavenly Tabernacle. A literal shadow is intangible which reveals simply the outline or profile of the actual object. The earthly Tabernacle simply revealed "a figure for the time then present."

3rd, they served as GOD's earthly "pattern" which was enforced only temporarily until CHRIST established HIS "more Excellent Ministry" (v.6) as exclaimed in Hebrews 10:9-12.

Hi Brother Dan.

I hear often how simple scripture is to understand bur yet the Bible is the most debated collection of books ever.

Flesh is what Satan works with to confuse, that's why Jesus says John 8:43-47. also

John 10:27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

They don't become his sheep by following him. They follow him "because they hear his voice " And he lay them down in green pasture. You'll see the results in fruit barring. Something the Law and those who desire to be under it cannot do.

Jesus/truth is a stumblingblock unto them.

Touching scripture Jesus says

John 5:38-39.

And the writer to the Hebrews-

Hebrews 10:7. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Jesus came to minister reconciliation by means of "GRACE by faith" to a lost and condemned world. This grace is emphasized all through scripture and climax at the cross.

Romans 4:11.And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also.

Hebrews 10:5-9. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

This is revealed in the heart of those who believe.

Any message deviates from this reveals the blindness mentioned.

God bless.

Hello, it sounds like you're looking for a severity scale of sin. Scriptures don't seem to distinguish much between severity of sin (aside from blasphemy of the holy ghost). All sin is very bad. God hates sin. Some may try to deceive us into thinking some 'aren't that bad', but that is just temptation and attempts to justify it. We can't really be a Jesus follower and make plans to commit sin either. That act shows someone isn't a genuine follower as evidenced by this verse: Hebrews 10:26. 1 John 5:17, 1 John 1:9, James 4:7. God bless.

Hi Catherine. I think you're referring to what is commonly termed, 'Oneness Pentecostalism', or more familiarly, 'Jesus Only Movement'. That is a particular branch of pentecostalism that is not widely accepted even amongst pentecostals. As you asked, "anyone here Believe "Jesus IS God"?" Many of us here would agree with you with that statement, but I also know that Oneness teaching is that the Triune God is manifested in Heaven as Jesus only - to this most would disagree.

The primary reason for my disagreement would be, that Jesus, whether on Earth or in Heaven, is seen as distinct from His Father - Father God never disappears or is infused in His Son. While on Earth, Jesus always spoke to His Father (John chapter 17 is but one example). And after His Resurrection & Ascension back into Heaven, we read that He is at the Father's right Hand ( Acts 7:55; Colossians 3:1; Luke 22:69; Hebrews 10:12; etc.). So with all these before us in God's Word, it would be difficult to argue for three separate Beings within the Godhead, being found in the one Jesus.

I would be quite happy if you wanted to present your case to show otherwise - you won't be considered a trouble-maker - but a sister who wants to express her belief from the Scriptures & from experience. And the matters of being water baptized only in Jesus' Name and speaking in tongues as evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit, have been discussed at length here as well. To find those discussions, go to the Advanced Search, typing in (e.g. tongues, water baptism) & then click on 'Discussions' - hopefully you'll get an idea of what has been discussed already. And you'll even find some who are in agreement with your understanding of these topics.

Hi "Failure". The Scriptures are clear about believers in Christ no longer walking in the lusts of the flesh but walking (receptive, in harmony) with the Spirit in you ( Galatians 5:16,17: "Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would"; Romans 8:13,14).

When we live in the flesh, i.e. leading lives that are habitually given over to sin, unconcerned about dealing with it by the power of the Holy Spirit, then we would be right in questioning the genuineness of our faith & love for God. But the battle is always on: the lusts of the flesh vs the desires to live to please God. When we're fully convinced that we'd rather live for God & not for sin & seeking the help & power of the Spirit, then His Power will be greater than our weakness. The fact that we do sin now, is simply because we enjoy the sin or want to pursue it. If we remain guarded, very rarely will sin overtake us suddenly, especially in the more overt sins that involve others. Even drunkenness, gluttony, gossip, lying, pride, etc. are all sins that we might want to do & hold dear to us & our make-up. But when we hate those sins, we will seek to take hold of the Spirit to combat them & more so, when we see the sin knocking at our door. The Spirit is there to empower us - to withstand the temptation to give in. We can also overcome that sin by pursuing another course, e.g. move away from that situation or person, replace the temptation with something good/wholesome, going straight into the Word & prayer. The Lord is always there - it's our choice to whom we appeal to: to fleshly desires or to the spirit ( Romans 6:16-23).

Hebrews 10:26. If you read the whole chapter, the sin being spoken of is about those from Judaism who want to appeal to the old sacrifices instead of Christ's Sacrifice (v29) - it doesn't work - that's sin.

What about in Hebrews 10:26 where is states, "For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins." and in Galatians 5:19-21 where it states, " Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

WHEN WAS THE GOSPEL SET IN MOTION? OR PERHAPS THOUGHT OF.

Here's a few scriptures perhaps something to help or give thought to several topics.

1 Peter 1:19-21.

I make this 1st Scripture a significant point of interest because if all get saved in the end regardless then that renders the word Salvation obsolete. So we righteously argue that if that was the case why spill the blood of our Precious Lord as Brother Chris has stated?

I believe here's another factor when combining the above verse with this one.

Hebrews 10:7.

Psalms 40:7.

I believe When considering all scripture it ties some way or another to the Lord's redemption plan.

Sense the plan of salvation was drawn up before the foundation of the world and the volume of the book is written of Christ it don't only render salvation obsolete it render the volume of the book obsolete.

We would no longer have scripture to reason with.

Part 2.

Also when considering the 2 trees in the Garden we must consider this redemption plan was purposed to come by Christ before either of these trees were made! And also consider the volume of the book was written of Christ. I believe that eating of the tree of life has its role in this as well! Atleast in a way to set the plan in motion.

" My thought here is inconclusive "

But here is why I mentioned it. Look at the results from eating of the tree.

Genesis 3:21. I believe this significant piece of scripture is part of the volume of the book mentioned and the first blood atonement sacrifice pointing ahead to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 5:39.

God bless.

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Hebrews 10:25

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Hello Natashya,

You might consider reading this: Matthew 18:21-22 Also the parable of the talents after that is also about forgiveness. The summary of this is: Matthew 6:14.

As a Christian following in the footsteps of Jesus our sins are covered by grace as long as we are choosing to follow Jesus. 70x7 basically means a LOT and nearly unlimited. If we're genuinely following Jesus we can have assurance of salvation. But messing up is one thing, but deliberately sinning is another. Hebrews 10:26.

Jesus throughout the Bible challenges everyone including believers to avoid sin. Over and over He said that. The problem is some assume that when they become a Christian you can stop what you're doing, because they believe they're already 'saved' and can commit unlimited sin and evil pleasure they desire and not worry about any consequences. Some even say its bad to do good, because you're putting in 'human effort'. Beware of lies aimed and distorting God's truth. I believe scriptures say the opposite: I believe when you become a Christian you START your journey towards Jesus and work towards developing your character to be more and more like Jesus and a key part of this is NOT SINNING! So, some believe they can and should put zero effort into this 0 of 10. But I believe we should put max effort into this: 10 of 10.

John 14:15,

2 Peter 1:5 says to be diligent. One translation says 'make every effort'

Luke 13:24 says to 'strive to enter through the narrow door'

2 Timothy 2:15 'do your best'

Luke 6:46 - don't call Jesus Lord and fail to do what He says

There are verses about entering God's rest, but I believe it means a spiritual rest and not physical where we're just sitting on the couch all day binge drinking and eating. The Bible says we'll be persecuted for our beliefs, that this is not our world, and we're to run the race as to receive the prize. All this suggests great effort in my opinion, but we're not saved from that effort, but by grace.

God bless...

Brother Earl. You stated the following: "they don't BELIEVE that ALL MEN are God's CHURCH". I don't believe it either. God's Church, or Christ's Church, comprise only those saved by the Blood of the Lamb. If they include the wicked & unrepentant as well as those entering into salvation & its blessings with unbelief in their hearts, then that brings shame on Christ's Work towards salvation & makes the Cross meaningless. If Christ "draws all men unto Him", then the only ones who are accepted of the Father are those of whom He spoke, "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." ( John 12:47,48). And God's Judgement is certain, final, & eternal - no second chances to those who die without Christ ( Hebrews 9:27; Hebrews 10:27-29).

"Judah was the only one that had five brothers, so this (reference in Luke 16:27,28) was addressed to the house of JUDAH, creation is the PROMISED SEED of the house of JUDAH." If the reference is to Judah's five brothers, then what is Judah doing sitting in hell in torments? Hopefully, the Jews didn't realize that Jesus was talking about Judah in hell & his five brothers about to enter there as well.

"since Christ is the church, and Christ is creation's brother". Not sure how you work out that Christ is creation's brother. Christ is indeed the Church ( Colossians 1:18,24), but He is also the Creator without familial relationship to His Creation ( Colossians 1:15-17). He does love His creation, but the only brothers He has, are those whom He has purchased with His Own Blood ( Acts 20:28).

Hi Richard.

HE'S GOING TO WRITE HIS LAWS ON THEIR HEARTS.

Jeremiah 31:31. As it reads God is going to make a new covenant with the house of Israel.

Jeremiah 31:32 The Lord says this new covenant won't be like the old covenant that he gave their fathers, ( On Mount Sinai by Moses. )

Note: "A Mount that could not be touched"

Jeremiah 31:33-34. Tell us what the New covenant shall be. And how it will function!!

"I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts;

" Not on tables of Stone "

You see an example of this in

2 Corinthians 3:3.

This new covenant is NOT where they were bond to a law in which they could not keep because of the weakness of the flesh.

See Romans 8:3-4.

That Covenant and tabernacle was a shadow of the (TRUE) tabernacle.

( Hebrews 8:2. A minister of the sanctuary, and of the TRUE tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.)

See Hebrews 8:1-13.

See Hebrews 9:1-28.

See Hebrews 10:8-17.

THE ENERGY BEHIND THE DESIRE TO KEEPING THE LAW BEHIND THIS COVENANT WASN'T COMMANDMENT,

This covenant is set in motion and Moved by the Holyspirit. This is an inward action not an outward one.

This New Covenant is what the Old covenant/Law pointed to.

Note with both Covenants in view.

Galatians 4:23-28. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

God bless.

Dear Earl,

I didn't understand your response to the topic at hand. It seemed to avoid the main question about what we're saved from, but that's ok. I hope what I wrote was at least considered. I did see your repeating of your belief that the KJV is a 'Catholic' Bible and that's untrue. And your idea that hell doesn't actually mean hell, but something nicer like a cellar or grave isn't true either. The Bible is already translated accurately by a team of experts who spent years methodically and prayerfully doing it word for word. You're one person claiming the opposite with no evidence for it, so I don't find the attacks on God's word as credible. Not sure what your goals are in attacking God's word publicly on a Bible site, but nonetheless, I'm glad you're here.

You asked: "For what purpose did GOD SAVE YOU."

I don't agree with the terminology "saved" past tense, because we haven't been judged yet. The Bible mostly uses the terminology shall or will be saved. Future tense, not past tense, because we are still living and have freewill to follow Jesus or not follow Him. The choice is ours.

Paul in the Bible said to run the race to the end to receive the prize, not the race was already over. 1 Cor 9:24-27

So I don't believe I have been "saved" from anything yet, nor has anyone else on earth, because we haven't been judged as it says we will be in 2 Corinthians 5:10. It says we "all" must appear to be judged. All means all. I understand some think they can skip judgment based on good behavior, but that's not Biblical. All means everyone. Here's another: Romans 14:12 "Every one of us..." 1 Corinthians 4:5. "Every one" means everyone, including Christians and non-Christians. 1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

But by following Jesus, can we have assurance and confidence in salvation? Yes. Philippians 1:6

If we don't follow Jesus, can we have assurance and confidence in salvation? No. Luke 12:5. Hebrews 10:26

God bless...